Yeah, I use model-view... But thats only cause I ain't got the cash to get programs like LW or 3DS MAX, nor the time to learn how to use them. And I really don't need to have a 3d rendering program for what I want to do. So I spend most my time learning and honing my craft in Photoshop. Cause appart from doing the FS Toons, I use Photoshop to also touch up my pencil drawings, ink them and colour them along with using it in help design stuff for work. And anyway, I thought that I didn't need any fancy effects and stuff for rendering the ships into the toons, casue model-view gives them that slightly toonish look to them. More colourful than realistic, that gives them that comic feel.