[JerichoDeath]

As I already pointed out before the Ubuntu party is NOT PACIFISTIC!
They are economists and scientists.
They didn't come to power because they promised pacificm. They came to power because they fixed the collapsing economy (first locally on a small scale and then further and further), made sure people got jobs, food and a roof over their heads, not to mention good education.
The only time "pacifists" is mentioned in the backstory is in the half propaganda half-informative FAQ-like article in which the GTVA high command informs it's crews what Ubuntu is.
Pacifists don't have armies. Pacifists don't try to kill Gefs. Pacifists don't resist a superiour enemy for two years.

Shooting away from the point again.
What you're saying does not, at all, conflict with what I said besides a little semantics arguing that I'm not even fighting.

But, there is this ship sitting around now... filled with systems. Systems that they can use. So, they probably take those.

Actually in my previous post I typed out that the destroyers would be gutted of anything usefull before they get destroyed, but then removed it again before posting to keep the text shorter, because I assumed it was unneccesary to point out something so obvious.... guess I was wrong about that.

Insulting, and missing a point. I already stated that the ships would be removed of useful systems regardless of final result.

At this point, most people have probably forgotten about these ships in favor of the new stuff that is being designed/built for the military.

"At this point" was right after the Ubuntu party took over from the GTA (on Earth anyway) in my original argument. So no, people wouldn't have forgotten about those ships. Besides the Orion was around for a very long time and was the very symbol of GTA authority. That isn't something people just forget after one or two years.... or a decade for that matter.

Perhaps not. Although, I think that you're underestimating the fickle masses. It still doesn't matter though.

Talk to the crew of the Indus about the sun being non-violent.

A great arguement, except for a "tiny" flaw. The Indus' crew was hurting and dying from the radiation. If they shot the Orions into the sun they would naturally be completely unmanned at that time and the people back on Earth who watch it would be millions of kilometers away from danger.

Thanks~ Unless you're being sarcastic which is, again, insulting.
... and missing the point. The sun is still quite violent... and hot.

[MatthTheGeek]

Please guys, chill. KThksBai.

Orions were decommissioned. Whether they were destroyed, thrown to the sun, scavenged for spare parts, transformed into museum or into an orbital nightclub is irrelevant to the fact that they are not reactivatable in any meaningful military fashion back at the time of WiH. Which is what really matters for us here.

[-Norbert-]

I am not trying to diss or insult you, I'm only trying to point out to you the errors you made in your assumtions, or what I think are errors at any rate.
Like everyone else you are of course entitled to your opinion, but you have to give me the same courtesy and not write off everything I say as insulting and irrelevant just because it contradicts your view of the matter.
And yes, I use a lot of sarcasm, cynism and irony in my posts. It's just the way I talk in the real world too (well.... actually I use it even more in the real world, come to think of it), though there I have facial expressions and tone of voice to convey it better than the raw text of forums with the occasional emoticon.

Considering how the discussion developed, I'm going to heed Matts advice and just keep any further stuff I'd have to say about the matter to myself.

[The E]

This discussion is effectively over.

Jericho, you are right now repeating your opinion over and over. Doing so does not make it right. I and others have given several possible explanations why your dream scenario of UEF-operated GW ships won't happen. You saying "This does not make sense to me" will not change our opinion on the matter, and given that there's no reason for us to include such information in the canon, there will never be a definitive answer to the issue.

My advice would be to drop this topic effective immediately.

[crizza]

There was a time, when you simply crushed a house and let the remains rot...
Today, you must seperate the wire from the brick etc...so:
Rather than blow two Orions up or send them into the sun, you would disassemble it piece for bloody piece and use the metall, armor etc to build new ships.
Who realy knows how much metall from an Orion was used to built the Solaris?

[Trivial Psychic]

How about keeping a few ships around as museum pieces as a reminder of what Earth used to be and as a nod to its victory over the Lucifer?

[crizza]

The Lucifer was defeated by strikecraft, properbly the reason, why the UEF has their "super" strikecraft...

[Trivial Psychic]

I was referring to the GTA's Victory, and the most prominent symbol of a government's military power is typically its capital ships.  It used to be its battleships, but after WWII it became carriers.  The Orion fulfills both.

[Hellstryker]

Are you guys still talking about Orions?

[JerichoDeath]

This discussion is effectively over.

Jericho, you are right now repeating your opinion over and over. Doing so does not make it right. I and others have given several possible explanations why your dream scenario of UEF-operated GW ships won't happen. You saying "This does not make sense to me" will not change our opinion on the matter, and given that there's no reason for us to include such information in the canon, there will never be a definitive answer to the issue.

My advice would be to drop this topic effective immediately.

You didn't even read my posts, did you? If I'm just going to be ignored, then there really is no reason to continue... or no reason to use subtlety.
"the result is not important, the reason for the result is what matters"

Turning subtlety off:
"You don't have to respond to this"

How about keeping a few ships around as museum pieces as a reminder of what Earth used to be and as a nod to its victory over the Lucifer?

I believe that I suggested something similar.

I was referring to the GTA's Victory, and the most prominent symbol of a government's military power is typically its capital ships.  It used to be its battleships, but after WWII it became carriers.  The Orion fulfills both.

Those strikecraft were also sent in by an Orion, but that's just picking at details.

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NOW, what about the Carthage?
... anyone?

I know I didn't manage to destroy any GTVA Destroyers in WiH Part 1.
(can the GTD Hood be destroyed in that one level?)

[-Norbert-]

No, her engines are protected by FRED if I remember correctly.

[Mars]

Indeed, there are no destroyable destroyers in the game.

Also, out of curiosity, what happened to Batt?

[MatthTheGeek]

Neither the Hood nor the Meridian can be destroyed. Although you can destroy the Meridian in Post Meridian Coop, that's non canonical ;p.

[CaptJosh]

People talk about using the Orions for raw materials. This is actually a real world practice. It's called sending a ship to the breakers. You break it down and you use all the materials for other things, like razor blades.