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Offline Enzo03

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Oh PETA, here you go again.
SAN DIEGO (AP) — A federal court is being asked to grant constitutional rights to five killer whales who perform at marine parks — an unprecedented and perhaps quixotic legal action that is nonetheless likely to stoke an ongoing, intense debate at America's law schools over expansion of animal rights.
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The suit, which PETA says it will file Wednesday in U.S. District Court in San Diego, hinges on the fact that the 13th Amendment, while prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, does not specify that only humans can be victims.
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"By any definition, these orcas are slaves — kidnapped from their homes, kept confined, denied everything that's natural to them and forced to perform tricks for SeaWorld's profit," said Kerr. "The males have their sperm collected, the females are artificially inseminated and forced to bear young which are sometimes shipped away."
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
It's kind of irritating, because I don't neccesarily disagree with some of PETA's stances on things like performing animals etc, but they (like all organisations that focus on getting public attention) push it to the 'max'.

The case doesn't touch on several bonuses of having captive animals, such as awareness and funding for their wild counterparts, but, also, there is a valid point being made there.

Whilst the 'Modest Proposal' technique of attention grabbing may work as a shock tactic when it is unexpected and surprising, it's become so common now that it's actually become tacky.

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
This is how you make things happen. Good on PETA for actually standing by what they say they stand by

However, as much as I respect them for actually taking action, this is still utterly hilarious
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
It's a slippery-slope case though, in fairness, because if you grant those rights to performing animals, then it leads the way to legislation over working animals, including food-producing ones.

As I've said before, the flaw in PETA's plan to stop everyone eating meat is that, in order to grow that much vegetable crop, you'd have to slaughter tens of millions of now-useless grazing animals for the space (and because you'd still have to pay to feed them). Whilst most animals produce secondary goods such as Milk or Eggs, for the main part what they would achieve is the near genocide of most farmland animals.

PETA have done some good stuff in the past, revealing some horrendous behaviour towards animals, however, they need to be realistic about things, there's nothing whatsoever wrong about drawing attention, and I'm pretty sure they don't expect to win, but they should be prepared for some unexpected results if by some chance they do.

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
If what the article says is the case then it certainly comes under the heading of "the letter of the law over common sense"

here are 3 for you.

1. wtf does PETA intend to do if they win, who will house the Orcas as I presume they would not be able to function sufficiently in the wild?

2. where do domestic pets stand in all this?

3. where do rescue centres stand in this?  they detain animals often against their will and in many cases run schemes that a close parallel to euthanasia when they get over capacity and put down animals that are less likely to be adopted.  and on the subject of euthanasia vets routinely destroy animals that would have a drawn out and painful death or otherwise have a long period of intense suffering while they recover.

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
2. Your dog is a slave, according to PETA.

I don't know, I miss the days when PETA was a form of bizarre street theater and people in bodypaint. They were much more amusing then.
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
I recall this one time when PETA showered in the streets naked
Albeit, I don't understand the relation to what they were protesting to what they were doing to protest, but eh. Great life drawing subjects

Funny thing though, how do they intend to apply the US amendment in Canada?
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
PETA is a joke.  Granted in the case of the nearly-nude female models a very attractive wouldn't-kick-it-out-of-bed-for-eating-crackers joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Legal challenge is going nowhere.  Even if a lower court were dumb enough to wade into this, the USSC would slice and dice it faster than you can say "sushi."
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
*Sigh*

Constitutional rights?  Do we really want to run down the list of rights defined in the United States Constitution that definately don't need to be extended to animals?

The short list:  Whales don't need the right to vote; dolphins don't need freedom of the press, and apes don't need guns(Neither does Charleton Heston, but that's a subject for another thread.)

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
2. Your dog is a slave, according to PETA.
I don't know about dogs, but I wonder if anyone of them even seen a person who "has" a cat.  :)
You don't own a cat, a cat owns you (and that's not only in Soviet Russia). If he's is feeling generous, he'll sometimes let you think that have any sort of power over him.
Cats also don't need any kind of constitution. Their rules are clear: "You feed me, clean my litter box and I might let you pet me from time to time".
Of course, all this is from my personal experience (my family is owned by a lot of cats).  :)

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
Although, isn't there some debate on whales of various types being sentient, and therefore deserving some sort of rights?

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
Whilst most animals produce secondary goods such as Milk or Eggs, for the main part what they would achieve is the near genocide of most farmland animals.

Oh you wouldn't be able to keep farm animals for eggs and milk if PETA had their way.
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
I am a proud supporter of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
The one problem is that we will probably never stop eating meat... vegetables will never succeed as a single food source. We could, however, start eating bugs. :D
Wait... will PETA then start arguing for insect rights? o_o

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
They already did

Obama swatted a fly on national television
PETA issues a response

We all laughed
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
They also wanted to put have-a-heart insect traps in the White House

 
Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
2. Your dog is a slave, according to PETA.
I don't know about dogs, but I wonder if anyone of them even seen a person who "has" a cat.  :)
You don't own a cat, a cat owns you (and that's not only in Soviet Russia). If he's is feeling generous, he'll sometimes let you think that have any sort of power over him.
Cats also don't need any kind of constitution. Their rules are clear: "You feed me, clean my litter box and I might let you pet me from time to time".
Of course, all this is from my personal experience (my family is owned by a lot of cats).  :)

With us its more of a mutual co-existence thing. But yeah, those cats really see people as feeding robots 0_o.

 

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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
All animals automically plead the fifth. This will get no where because of that.
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
2. Your dog is a slave, according to PETA.
I don't know about dogs, but I wonder if anyone of them even seen a person who "has" a cat.  :)
You don't own a cat, a cat owns you (and that's not only in Soviet Russia). If he's is feeling generous, he'll sometimes let you think that have any sort of power over him.
Cats also don't need any kind of constitution. Their rules are clear: "You feed me, clean my litter box and I might let you pet me from time to time".
Of course, all this is from my personal experience (my family is owned by a lot of cats).  :)

With us its more of a mutual co-existence thing. But yeah, those cats really see people as feeding robots 0_o.

i think cats are capable of psychic mind control over their human hosts.
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Re: Oh PETA, here you go again.
2. Your dog is a slave, according to PETA.
I don't know about dogs, but I wonder if anyone of them even seen a person who "has" a cat.  :)
You don't own a cat, a cat owns you (and that's not only in Soviet Russia). If he's is feeling generous, he'll sometimes let you think that have any sort of power over him.
Cats also don't need any kind of constitution. Their rules are clear: "You feed me, clean my litter box and I might let you pet me from time to time".
Of course, all this is from my personal experience (my family is owned by a lot of cats).  :)

in Soviet Russia you own cat.
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