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Coptic Christian Student Murdered By Classmates for Wearing a Cross

(AINA) -- In mid-October Egyptian media published news of an altercation between Muslim and Christian students over a classroom seat at a school in Mallawi, Minya province. The altercation lead to the murder of a Christian student. The media portrayed the incident as non-sectarian. However, Copts Without Borders, a Coptic news website, refuted this version and was first to report that the Christian student was murdered because he was wearing a crucifix.

"We wanted to believe the official version," said activist Mark Ebeid, "because the Coptic version was a catastrophe, as it would take persecution of Christians also to schools." He blamed the church in Mallawi for keeping quiet about the incident.

Today the parents of the 17-year-old Christian student Ayman Nabil Labib, broke their silence, confirming that their son was murdered on October 16, in "cold blood because he refused to take off his crucifix as ordered by his Muslim teacher." Nabil Labib, the father, said in a taped video interview with Copts United NGO, that his son had a cross tattooed on his wrist as per Coptic tradition, as well as another cross which he wore under his clothes.

Both parents confirmed that Ayman's classmates, who were present during the assault and whom they met at the hospital and during the funeral, said that while Ayman was in the classroom he was told to cover up his tattooed wrist cross. He refused and defiantly got out the second cross which he wore under his shirt. "The teacher nearly chocked by son and some Muslim students joined in the beating," said his mother.

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I'm sure there are people who get killed because they wore the wrong shoes, or the wrong color shirt, or because the killer was pissed, so this does not surprise me.
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Yet another example why practicing religion should be abolished globally. It does more harm than good regardless of what religion it is. At least killing people for oil or stealing a purse makes sense. This does not.

 

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Yet another example why practicing religion should be abolished globally. It does more harm than good regardless of what religion it is. At least killing people for oil or stealing a purse makes sense. This does not.
...so it's the kid's fault for having religious beliefs, not the fault of those who beat him to death?  Next you'll tell me that we should abolish ethnicities, because killing people over them makes equally as little sense.

 

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I've got to agree with Mongoose on this one. The only way you can blame this on religion would be if the Muslims had also had to remove their symbols of worship and the Coptic was acting like he shouldn't have to.

Since it is doubtful that this is what happened, it pretty much seems like axe grinding to blame it on all religion.
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...so it's the kid's fault for having religious beliefs, not the fault of those who beat him to death?  Next you'll tell me that we should abolish ethnicities, because killing people over them makes equally as little sense.
I didn't say that.

It is the teacher's and the other students fault for being muslims and committing the act of violence in name of their religion. The kid is at fault for not complying with the teacher's request and that is what ultimately led to his own death. Both of these acts were carried out in name of their own faith and religion.

Hence, both parties are at fault for being religious idiots which led to the kid's death.

it pretty much seems like axe grinding to blame it on all religion.
That is more or less correct and I'm not going to argue over it. A sizable chunk of violence now and in the past has been committed in name of one religion or another. I'm tired of it. Christians aren't any better than others.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2011, 04:31:11 am by Fury »

 

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Chalk it up to another pointless death over something insignificant. It's unacceptable, but people have been killed over far less
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Wow, this shows how incredibly naive people can be. I mean hey, I don't advocate violence or anything, but if people think that they won't get a beating or worse for not complying when the teacher who's just doing his/her job asks them to stop waving a cross around in an egyptian classroom, then seriously they've totally lost their grip on reality. Do they really think people have suddenly stopped being violent or easily provoked? That takes some massive ignorance and denial of facts.

I wonder why we aren't seeing those kind of comments in this particular case.

 

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Remember folks, these are those loving, forgiving and tolerant religions we are told about. They all seem to act like this when they think no-ones looking (well, not all if I'm strictly honest - but oddly ernough, it seems to be those that make the most of the 'power', 'wisdom' and 'love' of God that seem to be the first to resort to doing His thinking and judging for Him.

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The persecution and outright murder of Egypt's Coptic Christians is the one narrative that doesn't seem to be getting airtime concerning Egypt's ousting of its former government.

Say what you will about dictators, but Egypt's at least protected a number of the country's religious minorities, including the Copts.
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Remember folks, these are those loving, forgiving and tolerant religions we are told about. They all seem to act like this when they think no-ones looking (well, not all if I'm strictly honest - but oddly ernough, it seems to be those that make the most of the 'power', 'wisdom' and 'love' of God that seem to be the first to resort to doing His thinking and judging for Him.

'God made us all different for He is mighty and has Plans'
'Just don't be too different though, or we'll kill you'.

Well, the Jains become less and less of a danger the more extreme they become. If there ever was a "religion of peace", it's Jainism. One way I like to look at it is like this: The problem with Islam, Christianity and Judaism isn't the fundamentalists, but rather the fundamentals of the faith itself.

About the copts, well, in Egypt, they live in filthy, literally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf033rhn5kE
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Remember folks, these are those loving, forgiving and tolerant religions we are told about. They all seem to act like this when they think no-ones looking (well, not all if I'm strictly honest - but oddly ernough, it seems to be those that make the most of the 'power', 'wisdom' and 'love' of God that seem to be the first to resort to doing His thinking and judging for Him.

'God made us all different for He is mighty and has Plans'
'Just don't be too different though, or we'll kill you'.

All organized religion is inherintly imperialistic. In many ways religion does behave like a virus. It will infest a host, usually one with a weaker strain or a vulnerable uninfested target (children, seriously ill, substance abuse addicts, etc) and proceed to hijack the machinery of the host (the mind) to conform to the specifications of its strain or substrain, and then proceed with its next directive: Self replication. Obviously some strains such as evangalism and islam are more aggressive than others and their virulance matches each strain and substrain accordingly. In addition to traditional marketing techniques, more and more virulant will resort to outright physical attacks against their competition through terrorism, bullying, and murder.

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I've got to agree with Mongoose on this one. The only way you can blame this on religion would be if the Muslims had also had to remove their symbols of worship and the Coptic was acting like he shouldn't have to.

Since it is doubtful that this is what happened, it pretty much seems like axe grinding to blame it on all religion.

This is part of a much larger conflict that is brewing between coptics and muslims. Just last month there were huge riots in egypt over this stuff. Do not tell me this has nothing to do with religion
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The point is that if there were no religion they'd be fighting over ethic reasons. While I will agree that religion on the whole is the most common and most likely reason for this kind of dickwaddery, it's not the only one.
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The point is that if there were no religion they'd be fighting over ethic reasons. While I will agree that religion on the whole is the most common and most likely reason for this kind of dickwaddery, it's not the only one.


True, there are other reasons they might be fighting and that's why each conflict needs to be taken on a case by case basis.
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Yet another example why practicing religion should be abolished globally. It does more harm than good regardless of what religion it is. At least killing people for oil or stealing a purse makes sense. This does not.

Dear lord, the amount of bigotry towards the religious in HLP disgusts me sometimes. Usually I steer clear of threads related to religion for exactly this reason, but... reading comments like this turns my stomach.

I'm going to stop this post here before I say something I regret. I am extremely angry at the moment.

I do, however, have one question that I would really like to have answered, please:
Why do the mods tolerate this? Is this not against the board rules?
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Thing is, when you get a thread with religion and violence in the same paragraph, it's kind of hard to keep the comparison out. Though, I'll admit, I don't quite understand how claiming religion should be abolished doesn't, in some uncomfortable way, make us just as dogmatic...

That said, so long as the comments are about religions plural and not a specific religion, it's hard to really say. Would we be more likely to lock a thread in which people were attacking Atheism? I think I'll have to sleep on that one.

For my own part, I prefer not to go into religious threads, I only do so because I'm a mod. My opinion on Religious differences and the discussion thereof is that, at least in a Forum, no-one is going to choke anyone else...

Edit : Just to add, you'll note I put a qualifier about religion in my own post, that's just me, I suppose it's not so much the existence of religion itself that I hate, it's what people are inspired, compelled and even encouraged to do in the name of religion
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The notion that all religion could be abolished is quite silly.
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