[jr2]

Topic created as a split from the original Shadows in FSO thread. This thread can discuss hardware support as necessary but keep in mind that the shadow support is in its early stages and will require a machine of capable specs. Thanks folks - Fineus


Yeah... 

[Spoon]

8 year old cpu, time for an upgrade maybe?

[jr2]

Yes, however

1) I don't have the $$$ yet

2) I have a laptop with an AMD dual-core Z80 (or is it Z90?  I forget) CPU and ATI 3200 GFX, so I'm not quite up the creek without a paddle yet

[Megatog615]

Yes, however

1) I don't have the $$$ yet

2) I have a laptop with an AMD dual-core Z80 (or is it Z90?  I forget) CPU and ATI 3200 GFX, so I'm not quite up the creek without a paddle yet

Why would you even try to run a shadows build with a CPU like this? Let me guess, you have an NVIDIA Geforce4 or something too?

Makes no sense, bro.

[Crybertrance]

Yes, however

1) I don't have the $$$ yet

2) I have a laptop with an AMD dual-core Z80 (or is it Z90?  I forget) CPU and ATI 3200 GFX, so I'm not quite up the creek without a paddle yet

Why would you even try to run a shadows build with a CPU like this? Let me guess, you have an NVIDIA Geforce4 or something too?

Makes no sense, bro.

It should be able to run, albeit with some performance loss...

[jr2]

Yes, however

1) I don't have the $$$ yet

2) I have a laptop with an AMD dual-core Z80 (or is it Z90?  I forget) CPU and ATI 3200 GFX, so I'm not quite up the creek without a paddle yet

Why would you even try to run a shadows build with a CPU like this? Let me guess, you have an NVIDIA Geforce4 or something too?

Makes no sense, bro.

Ha.  No.  Mobo is MSI 6570E (nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset), ATI Radeon HD 3450 on AGP8X, 2GB RAM (400MHz, dual-channel mode), Windows 7 (32-bit ofc, Athlon XP is 32-bit CPU), 2x2TB SATA hard disks (although, they are WD Green HDs so performance isn't really great).

So.  Old, yes.  ****ty, no.  If that answers any curiosities...

[The E]

Disagree. A Radeon 3450 is really really bad.

[Crybertrance]

Disagree. A Radeon 3450 is really really bad.

Really bad, yes. Really bad enough so you cant play with shadows, no.

I say no, because I have a friend who has a Radeon 3450 with an Athlon x2 and it runs quite well (about 15 fps in calm areas)

[jr2]

Well, it was the best AGP card that $40 could get me.  It was recommended IIRC by either The_E or Jeff Vader when I said I was looking for a $40 card to replace my X1650 (which has horrific OGL support, thx ATI, you suck; AMD, please fixx0r your n00b minion kthxbai).

Anyways...

[Valathil]

To discuss you ****ty graphics cards i would recommend a different thread.

[jr2]

:/  Sorry.

[Spoon]

Disagree. A Radeon 3450 is really really bad.

Really bad, yes. Really bad enough so you cant play with shadows, no.

I say no, because I have a friend who has a Radeon 3450 with an Athlon x2 and it runs quite well (about 15 fps in calm areas)

>runs quite well in calm areas
>15 fps
What am I reading here? 

[Crybertrance]

Disagree. A Radeon 3450 is really really bad.

Really bad, yes. Really bad enough so you cant play with shadows, no.

I say no, because I have a friend who has a Radeon 3450 with an Athlon x2 and it runs quite well (about 15 fps in calm areas)

>runs quite well in calm areas
>15 fps
What am I reading here? 

something better than nothing, rite? I remember back in the day on my old comp. Freespace used to run at arround 18~20 FPS (Media VPs 3.6.10 w/o advanced.vp) in calm areas.   

[LHN91]

Same kinda thing. I had the option between a P4 1.8 with a PCI slot Geforce FX5500, which, w/o advanced, ran 20-30 fps in calm areas and chugged everywhere else; or a laptop with an intel GMA950. Sadly, the GMA actually handled it better XD

[jr2]

Heh, on 3.6.7 I had put FSO on an AMD K6-2 500MHz w/ PCI BFG 5500, 256 MB RAM, Win ' 98 IIRC... or maybe it was 512MB and XP, I forget.  It did run, however.  Just had to take out advanced MVPs and tone the settings down a bit.

[z64555]

So, jr2, are you asking for support for 3DNow!, MMX, and SSE?

[jr2]

SSE support is already incorporated into FSO.  3DNow! and MMX?  Sure!    Although I'm betting MMX is already built in as all processors since like 1996 have it.

[KyadCK]

SSE support is already incorporated into FSO.  3DNow! and MMX?  Sure!    Although I'm betting MMX is already built in as all processors since like 1996 have it.

Just a warning, 3DNow! is AMD exclucive and starting with Bulldozer AMD no longer supports it.

[z64555]

SSE support is already incorporated into FSO.  3DNow! and MMX?  Sure!    Although I'm betting MMX is already built in as all processors since like 1996 have it.

As far as I know, standard C/C++ programs simply compile into assembler that the CPU can understand. Hardware microprograms and special registers can only be used if your compiler is configured to use it and/or the code itself has been structured around said features.

A quick Q: How is the SSE builds different from the standard builds in terms of organization, additional functions, datatypes, etc.?

[The E]

Codewise, there are no differences. The only difference between the no SSE, SSE and SSE2 builds are the compiler settings, that is, the compiler is allowed to use additional optimizations there.