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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-dehydration.html

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EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.
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Ahahahahaha!

The same EU that dictated that cucumbers must be sufficiently curved to be allowed to be sold? The same EU who recognizes champagne to originate from certain part of France? The same EU that pushes for idiotic green policies and drives the industry away while doing so? The same EU that switches its capital between Brussels and Strassbourg? The same EU who keeps pushing new countries to euro zone while the earlier ones are not integrated?

Now if only they did the trust busting as efficiently as stupid regulations, this might actually take a turn to better. Ain't globalization great? But I'm still not sure if EU was better if it was given more power over member countries or not. But given the history of stupid legislation, I'm leaning on the nay-side.
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Actually,a lot of the fallacies about the EU do not exist or are deliberately mis-reported by UK sources.

For example, the minimum 'curve' on a cucumber is wholesale rubbish, the only thing defined by Euro convention is how long it should be from tip to tip, and that is only so they will fit in the boxes (and the journalists who wrote that article admitted they only made it up to see what kind of reaction it would cause). There have been loads of rumours started by tabloids, that fishermen have to wear hair-nets, tight-rope walkers have to wear safety helmets etc. There's a never ending stream of complete gibberish being made up about EU regulations.

That said, the problem, from what I read in the article, is a question of representation more than truth of the matter. It's true that bottled water will re-hydrate you, but so can many other things (which also, obviously, have water in them) I think it's more an advertising standards issue than an advertising fact issue. Now, I'm not saying I agree with the decision by the EU, but I'd recommended getting a little more detail before taking what a tabloid says at face value :)
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What Flipside said.

 
I do get the feeling that the ban is not the way it is described in the Telegraph.

You see, bottled water companies like to say that drinking only bottled water keeps you healthy and safe from dehadrytion, whilst drinking 1.2 liters of coffee has exactly the same effect. Bottled water companies tend to ignore the latter (or disclaim the latter) and claim that you MUST drink pure water.

(And honestly, bottled water companies are a farce anyway...)

 

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(And honestly, bottled water companies are a farce anyway...)

depends, even in the EU there are areas where drinking the local tap water is inadvisable
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(And honestly, bottled water companies are a farce anyway...)

depends, even in the EU there are areas where drinking the local tap water is inadvisable

Damn. But I get the feeling that they advertise the most in countries where drinking local tap water is perfectly safe.

I never quite got why they are so popular in holland, where drinking tap water yields more health benifits then bottled water...

 
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Actually,a lot of the fallacies about the EU do not exist or are deliberately mis-reported by UK sources.

For example, the minimum 'curve' on a cucumber is wholesale rubbish, the only thing defined by Euro convention is how long it should be from tip to tip, and that is only so they will fit in the boxes (and the journalists who wrote that article admitted they only made it up to see what kind of reaction it would cause). There have been loads of rumours started by tabloids, that fishermen have to wear hair-nets, tight-rope walkers have to wear safety helmets etc. There's a never ending stream of complete gibberish being made up about EU regulations.

That said, the problem, from what I read in the article, is a question of representation more than truth of the matter. It's true that bottled water will re-hydrate you, but so can many other things (which also, obviously, have water in them) I think it's more an advertising standards issue than an advertising fact issue. Now, I'm not saying I agree with the decision by the EU, but I'd recommended getting a little more detail before taking what a tabloid says at face value

The cucumber length restrictions were actually considered.  A whole bunch of EU legislation is just like that: on superficial level it kind of sounds reasonable, but in practice, it gets ****ed up quickly or isn't enforced at all. I actually had a possibility of questioning European Commision official regarding traffic and energy consumption, again I got the same impression that what they do is good intentions with horrible consequences. The execution of Directives is left for local governments, and in the end the commission and governments will blame each other, never achieving anything.

I have not heard about safety helmets or hair-nets, but plenty of EU inspired stupid legislation has already been enforced here, some of the laws crashing and burning horribly. Which would be funny, were it not for the lost money in the legalization process. For example, the sad incident that what was to be dubbed as "**** law" here. Due to environmental regulations, it was required that the small cottages should have a chemical WC, and the old potties were declared illegal. However, since this took a form of extorting old people that live in remote locations to get the most expensive clean chemical WC as possible or otherwise they would be reported to police. After protests from several instances of the society, this law was then declared void. And I'm kidding you not, this DID happen. It also hints in to massive incompetence of the Parliament here (they have been dull earlier, but now we have legendarily dumb representatives), but that's a topic for another discussion.

Do you have any ideas of the success rate of EU projects related to science or technology? Look it up, it's not pretty. Starting from that I already know that many companies will submit as many proposals as possible, since there is no real review process or built-in memory in the system, getting a project accepted is a statistical process. I also know that plenty of partners in these consortiums have no intention of using the money on anything written in the proposal. I'm going to generalize, that this stuff happens in every EU project, not only science related.

The present EU is really rather inefficient in dealing with anything, and it doesn't need hindrances from local governments to achieve that.
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whilst drinking 1.2 liters of coffee has exactly the same effect

Caffine is a diuretic, I believe. It flushes water from your system.

You might want to come up with a different example. Milk, perhaps.
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On a related note, drinking too much water in a short amount of time can actually kill you.

 

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Well I'm pretty sure drinking too much of anything in a short amount of time can kill you. :p

 

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whilst drinking 1.2 liters of coffee has exactly the same effect

Caffine is a diuretic, I believe. It flushes water from your system.

You might want to come up with a different example. Milk, perhaps.

caffine is a diuretic, yes, but drinking caffinated drinks doesn't dehydrate you like many say.  at least not sodas, but i strongly suspect this also holds true for coffee.  they just don't hydrate you as much as pure water would.  i have gone days drinking only caffinated drinks with no negative effects (related to dehydration anyway).

ontopic, i have to believe the intent of the law was to keep advertisers from implying their bottled water hydrates better/is healthier than whatever else.  because that's damn sure the reason they put it on the label.  and people ARE stupid enough to be fooled by it.
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Yet another stupid law.  :)
Though, if it means that bottled water companies will stop lying about their water being the only way to hydrate, this could be a good idea. The question is, why, in the middle of a freakin' global economic crash, while Greece is dragging the Euro down with it and entire countries are going bankrupt, they waste their time and money on that?

 

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Because you have an imperfect understanding of how freaking large the EU bureaucracy is. Governments, as a whole, are not entities that can (or should) focus on single issues at a time. Asking why these things happen while other things are in progress is missing the point by a very large margin.
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I know that they can do a few things at the time, but intended to call attention to how trivial and stupid this seems in face of the current crisis. It seems rather absurd to me. The situation is so serious, people are concerned about EU falling apart, yet somebody still has the time to bother bottled water producers about such silly little thing. I'm aware how enormous EU bureaucracy is, and I know that it could stand to be a lot smaller. If they have the time and manpower to think up such stupid regulations, then there's at least one person that isn't really needed on the position he or she occupies, and who doesn't need to receive that hefty government (read: taxpayers financed) salary.

  

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Here's the question I have to ask to those who think this is a stupid law. If it so ****ing obvious that water prevents dehydration why the **** would anyone want to put it on the ****ing bottle of water!

The way I see it the EU has saved us from a run of ridiculous statements on food packaging. That alone makes it worth it.
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