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Re: The economy is soo good
Thanks guys, yes oil furnaces are all over here in the U.S. BUT Natural gas is more common in urban areas. 99% of kids ( to me a kid is anything under 20) have never heard of a Wood heater or a oil furnace, but Wood heat here is rare at best mainly because people in the U.S. now days are too lazy to go out fell a tree cut it up and haul it home, good thing for me, cause granted this year I have to hunt for seasoned wood, but I already have NEXT years wood stacked seasoning and almost ready to be split:)
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Apparantly, 99% of kids aren't from anywhere even vaguely resembling my neighborhood. Lucky bastards probably were on high(er-than-dial-up)-speed internet by 2006, too...
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I'm not really sure I'd call people who don't go out to cut their own trees for heat "lazy," given that the majority of people living in the US don't exactly have a forest's worth of timber on their properties.  Also, some of us kind of like seeing trees kept where they are as much as possible. :p

 

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I used to live near the edge of a desert. Trees there... not for cutting down.

 

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check my math here, please.
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Yeah, in the desert where it doesn't really get so cold during winter. You just use different sources of heating based on where you live. In southeast alaska where i'm from, most people just used wood. Interior alaska people had redundant sources of heating because of the long cold ass as **** winters. Do wood during the day, at night use heating oil, and having heating oil to rely upon when out of wood.

I'm assuming that desert is the arizona nevada area. You could probably get away with burning trash. But, you could probably also get away with no heating at all if the winter is just going to 50F.
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I'm assuming that desert is the arizona nevada area. You could probably get away with burning trash. But, you could probably also get away with no heating at all if the winter is just going to 50F.

My understanding is that it still gets nice and frosty overnight out there sometimes...

Maybe one of these suckers?
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I'm not really sure I'd call people who don't go out to cut their own trees for heat "lazy," given that the majority of people living in the US don't exactly have a forest's worth of timber on their properties.  Also, some of us kind of like seeing trees kept where they are as much as possible. :p
Cutting down the trees is also only half of the work. It's also necessary to remove the branches and cut everything for storing and drying.  It's a lot of work, and you need a lot of space to store the wood.
And it's very dangerous - forest workers have a hight count of deadly work accidents.

My last 3 Flats have all had an electrical heating... It's expensive and it's getting worse each year (because on the price of the electricity an additional tax for refunding of solar and wind energy is applied ), but the landlords like it.
They don't have to buy oil, maintenance cost are zero and if the tenant can't pay the energy company has the trouble, not the landlord.

 

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Used to live in Texas actually. So electrical, oil, gas, anything but wood. Nowadays though those might be too expensive so burning other consumables might work. It's not like the winters there are long anyway. At most 2 months I think.

 

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My understanding is that it still gets nice and frosty overnight out there sometimes...

Maybe one of these suckers?
I guess an electric heater or something i guess.

Poor people with blast heaters will heat their houses (temporarily with them). The one cool thing i saw in alaska was someone with an insulated room dedicated to a wood stove. The heat was fed into one pipe near the ceilling via powerful box summer box fan. The piping went under the floor of the entirety of the house and heated the place very well. To keep the air current going, of course the pipe met back in on the other side of the wood stove room.
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I guess an electric heater or something i guess.

Poor people with blast heaters will heat their houses (temporarily with them). The one cool thing i saw in alaska was someone with an insulated room dedicated to a wood stove. The heat was fed into one pipe near the ceilling via powerful box summer box fan. The piping went under the floor of the entirety of the house and heated the place very well. To keep the air current going, of course the pipe met back in on the other side of the wood stove room.

If there is something we ought to sell to US and Canada that seems to be the heating systems, insulation techniques and materials for houses. It sounds like there is an actual need for it and you guys would be really surprised to see how well it works.

Our baking ovens use a similar kind of principle as above. However, the point is to store the heat into a relatively big central stone (the oven itself) and radiate it throughout the house. For floor warming, I'm not sure about the usage of air, is it because the temperature in the house is expected to drop below freezing point frequently?
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I guess an electric heater or something i guess.

Poor people with blast heaters will heat their houses (temporarily with them). The one cool thing i saw in alaska was someone with an insulated room dedicated to a wood stove. The heat was fed into one pipe near the ceilling via powerful box summer box fan. The piping went under the floor of the entirety of the house and heated the place very well. To keep the air current going, of course the pipe met back in on the other side of the wood stove room.

If there is something we ought to sell to US and Canada that seems to be the heating systems, insulation techniques and materials for houses. It sounds like there is an actual need for it and you guys would be really surprised to see how well it works.

Our baking ovens use a similar kind of principle as above. However, the point is to store the heat into a relatively big central stone (the oven itself) and radiate it throughout the house. For floor warming, I'm not sure about the usage of air, is it because the temperature in the house is expected to drop below freezing point frequently?

I can't speak for some parts of the US, but up here in New England, just about everybody knows how to insulate, or at least how to start (step one, talk to Jimmy who's got that infrared heat-loss detector), but a painfully large number of people can't get the cash together for the lump-sum sunk cost so they end up bleeding out piece by piece.

I've also seen systems set up that were conceptually similar to the alaskan wood-heat forced air system, but instead using copper water-piping coiled around a horizontal run of stovepipe, then running the water (which may or may not have included other additives, i.e. antifreeze) through a closed system that feeds through the house's cement floors. It took a bit to warm up, but it could get nice and toasty.
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Housing in Winnipeg needs to be insulated. Otherwise, you'd be dead from hypothermia when winter strolls by as you're sleeping
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Yeah, in the desert where it doesn't really get so cold during winter. You just use different sources of heating based on where you live. In southeast alaska where i'm from, most people just used wood. Interior alaska people had redundant sources of heating because of the long cold ass as **** winters. Do wood during the day, at night use heating oil, and having heating oil to rely upon when out of wood.

I'm assuming that desert is the arizona nevada area. You could probably get away with burning trash. But, you could probably also get away with no heating at all if the winter is just going to 50F.

having lived both places i can say deserts can get pretty cold at night right before sunrise. ive seen frost form nights and then have the day be triple digits. i dont think i ever lived anywhere of moderate temperature. either too ****ing hot or damn cold. id love to live somewhere that is 60 or 70 ish year round. the apartment i had when i last lived in phoenix was rather cold, of course that was winter and spring that i lived there. and it was small so i could just heat it by turning my oven up to 400 for a couple hours.
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Re: The economy is soo good
Yeah, in the desert where it doesn't really get so cold during winter. You just use different sources of heating based on where you live. In southeast alaska where i'm from, most people just used wood. Interior alaska people had redundant sources of heating because of the long cold ass as **** winters. Do wood during the day, at night use heating oil, and having heating oil to rely upon when out of wood.

I'm assuming that desert is the arizona nevada area. You could probably get away with burning trash. But, you could probably also get away with no heating at all if the winter is just going to 50F.

having lived both places i can say deserts can get pretty cold at night right before sunrise. ive seen frost form nights and then have the day be triple digits. i dont think i ever lived anywhere of moderate temperature. either too ****ing hot or damn cold. id love to live somewhere that is 60 or 70 ish year round. the apartment i had when i last lived in phoenix was rather cold, of course that was winter and spring that i lived there. and it was small so i could just heat it by turning my oven up to 400 for a couple hours.

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I guess an electric heater or something i guess.

Poor people with blast heaters will heat their houses (temporarily with them). The one cool thing i saw in alaska was someone with an insulated room dedicated to a wood stove. The heat was fed into one pipe near the ceilling via powerful box summer box fan. The piping went under the floor of the entirety of the house and heated the place very well. To keep the air current going, of course the pipe met back in on the other side of the wood stove room.

If there is something we ought to sell to US and Canada that seems to be the heating systems, insulation techniques and materials for houses. It sounds like there is an actual need for it and you guys would be really surprised to see how well it works.

I suspect you'd find that construction standards where I live (Edmonton, AB) and those where you live are probably quite similar.  Our house is heavily insulated, heated by a natural gas furnace (and I have a natural gas fireplace in the living room), and so heavily vapour-barriered that we actually have to run the furnace air circulator a couple times a week to exchange the air and manage humidity.  Our house doesn't leak air all that readily.

It really depends where you are.  Most major centres here have natural gas, and a lot of homes now have electric heating.  Older areas (and less accessible ones, like Vancouver island, and the entire area north of the 60th parallel) tend to use oil/kerosene heating, while more rural/remote ones use wood heating.
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