[achtung]

Exactly what end point do people have in mind for this discussion? Trashman's all 'oh, yeah, you're right'?

There is one primary determinant of what TrashMan thinks about the ending, and we've already seen it in action:

1) people are excited for the game - TrashMan thinks the ending is terrible

2) people hate the ending - TrashMan thinks the ending is fine

In conclusion, trashman is a hipster.

[IronBeer]

Furthermore, the only instances of synthetic life attacking organic life attacking organic life without provocation and not under the direct control of the Reapers were...

****.  I'm drawing a blank.  Oh, wait, that's because it doesn't happen.  Now, that's a problem, because the entire ending cutscene hinges on the fact that synthetic life tries to destroy organic life, and that the reapers try to stop that.  By trying to destroy organic life.  As synthetics.

Does the rogue Luna VI count? That's the only case I can think of, and I don't remember if it was actually provoked.

[Scotty]

Furthermore, the only instances of synthetic life attacking organic life attacking organic life without provocation and not under the direct control of the Reapers were...

****.  I'm drawing a blank.  Oh, wait, that's because it doesn't happen.  Now, that's a problem, because the entire ending cutscene hinges on the fact that synthetic life tries to destroy organic life, and that the reapers try to stop that.  By trying to destroy organic life.  As synthetics.

Does the rogue Luna VI count? That's the only case I can think of, and I don't remember if it was actually provoked.

If I remember right, the base was set to be decommissioned and the VI taken out of service.  It was also self-defense.  Additionally, the robots therein are never ordered out of the base, at all.  When Shepard goes in, it's very clearly self-defense.

[TrashMan]

Exactly what end point do people have in mind for this discussion? Trashman's all 'oh, yeah, you're right'?

There is one primary determinant of what TrashMan thinks about the ending, and we've already seen it in action:

1) people are excited for the game - TrashMan thinks the ending is terrible

2) people hate the ending - TrashMan thinks the ending is fine

In conclusion, trashman is a hipster.

Tsk, tsk.. Are you people so desperate yo uahev to lie to get some dirt on me?

A) I never said the ending was "fine". The ending is garbage. BUT that doesn't mean it's 100% in every concievable way and that any random idea from the interent is automaticly better.

[Scotty]

Exactly what end point do people have in mind for this discussion? Trashman's all 'oh, yeah, you're right'?

There is one primary determinant of what TrashMan thinks about the ending, and we've already seen it in action:

1) people are excited for the game - TrashMan thinks the ending is terrible

2) people hate the ending - TrashMan thinks the ending is fine

In conclusion, trashman is a hipster.

Tsk, tsk.. Are you people so desperate yo uahev to lie to get some dirt on me?

A) I never said the ending was "fine". The ending is garbage. BUT that doesn't mean it's 100% in every concievable way and that any random idea from the interent is automaticly better.

This must be why you've been defending the ending from the criticism in this thead.  Makes perfect sense.  If it's garbage, being the TrashMan, you have to defend it!

[TrashMan]

This must be why you've been defending the ending from the criticism in this thead.  Makes perfect sense.  If it's garbage, being the TrashMan, you have to defend it!

If you don't boter to read what exactly am I defending, i won't bother tryingto explain to you the obvious fallcies you are comitting.

[Scotty]

No, go ahead.  I could use a good laugh.

[Dark RevenantX]

You see, TrashMan doesn't care about the quality of the ending.  All he cares about is making Mass Effect fans feel bad.

Mystery solved!

[Beskargam]

This seems to be rather personal attacking. while I can understand, and I'm obviously a relative newcomer, not cool?

[NGTM-1R]

This seems to be rather personal attacking. while I can understand, and I'm obviously a relative newcomer, not cool?

Quite frankly at this point I don't think any of us give a damn anymore. TrashMan has demonstrated he is incapable of civility, admission of wrongdoing, or logic, and given his violent antipathy to these most of us having given up on extending him the courtesy.

[Beskargam]

I mean I cant disagree. But still. cool it?

[General Battuta]

I mean I cant disagree. But still. cool it?

That is not very likely, we've been at it for ten years already

[Liberator]

TBH, the amount of built in vitriol this forum, and by extension, we forumites, have about topics we feel strongly about cost me my ability to post in general discussion.  So no, I dont' think "cooling it" is going to happen any time soon.

[TrashMan]

HLP...there never was a more wretched hive of scum and villany. One does not simply walk into HLP... Not with 10000 trolls could you do it.


Anywhoo, I don't understand how such a simple concept as liking/disliking different parts/elements of the same work is beyond understanding of some poeple.

Quite frankly at this point I don't think any of us give a damn anymore. TrashMan has demonstrated he is incapable of civility, admission of wrongdoing, or logic, and given his violent antipathy to these most of us having given up on extending him the courtesy.

You abosolutely ADORE personal attacks, dont' you? How civil....
But go ahead, sorround yourself with yes-men and pretend you have some moral or intelectual high-ground.
Just remember to look into the mirror sometimes and see the monster you have been chasing all the time.

Seriously. This is downright depressing, the amount of vitirol you have for me for DARING to disagree with you on several occasions. Maybe you should try to apply the very same high standards you hold me agaisnt to yourself.
Because in all honesty, I don't see much civility in your posts. You hate me for being blunt and consider me uncivil, yet when you deem someone unworthy (me), you spare no tought to being uncivil and insulting yourself - far more than I ever was. It is obvious to anyone willing to check our respective posting histories - you resort to personal attacks more often...and first.

I really detest this kind of fighting, but I am NOT your personal punching bag for you to insult whenver you feel down. And you keep doing it. And over a friggin game no less!
Not funny.

[newman]

And over a friggin game no less!
Not funny.

How about you take your own advice? You're talking about real actual hate and "monsters in the mirror" in a topic about a computer game - those kinds of expressions would be more suitable for some war crimes topic or something along those lines. You may feel others have taken it far, but you can't exactly be absolved of blame on that front either. When you react in the same way as you perceive your "attacker" has, you kinda forfeit your rights to whine about it and be taken seriously.

[TrashMan]

And over a friggin game no less!
Not funny.

How about you take your own advice? You're talking about real actual hate and "monsters in the mirror" in a topic about a computer game - those kinds of expressions would be more suitable for some war crimes topic or something along those lines. You may feel others have taken it far, but you can't exactly be absolved of blame on that front either. When you react in the same way as you perceive your "attacker" has, you kinda forfeit your rights to whine about it and be taken seriously.

Defense is always warranted.
Hate? Maybe...Or it could be something else. For stupid reasons, yes, but that doesn't make insults any less real.
I am talking about "monsters" because I am being painted at one. A boogyman. The bad man. Apparently some people have taken to encourage and incite other posters to take pot shots at me. When someone insults me, they get congratulated. When I try to defend myself, I get chasstised for even trying.

Yeah, a real friendly and civil community.

So excuse me if you find my reaction "whiney" and "extreeme", but I'm starting to feel as welcome as a black man on a klan convention (And I know someone will rage about me using this comparison or call me a racist or some garbage like that), any time I don't jump one the band-wagon.

[Valathil]

[newman]

Fight the power, bro.

[TrashMan]

Thank you for being a good example for my point.

[Spoon]

You're a racist, Trashman!