[666maslo666]

Yes, it is unfortunate, but even if people die. We dont negotiate with terrorists. Otherwise it means they won. And a bunch of extremists rioters is even a few steps below organized terrorists in my book.

support are troops

e: ahaha, kara, this guy thinks you (or your ancestors?) should have been banned from the UK

uhm... what? I dont know what you are talking about at all.

If you descend to their level that also means they won. And when you've reached the point where you say "I don't care who dies as long as the masses rise up and depose the system I don't agree with", you've sunk to their level.

I never said that I dont care. I do, but the alternative, to give in to the demands of those who use violence to threaten people into submision, is worse.

As for levels, there is a subsurface level for those who troll radicals with a tendency for violent response. Then there are several miles of ocean. Then at the bottom under a fat layer of sediment there are those radicals that are being trolled. Not comparable at all, IMHO.

[karajorma]

What demands? This is the 3rd Annual Draw Mohammed Day. By the time you've picked a day of the year to do something you can't claim that you're doing it in response to something like terrorism. The first one might have been a legitimate response to something but by now you're just waiting for Hallmark to bring out a card for the occasion.

So again, I ask you why is this worth the death of other people?

[NGTM-1R]

By the time you've picked a day of the year to do something you can't claim that you're doing it in response to something like terrorism.

This statement makes not a lick of sense. A continuing problem can most certainly have a continuing response.

[Bobboau]

So again, I ask you why is this worth the death of other people?

yes

[Scotty]

Congratulations, you managed to answer yes to a question asking you to explain.

[Bobboau]

oh, crap, sorry, I didn't notice the 'why' there. gimme a sec.

[Bobboau]

because who would these 'other people' be?

Others who have been found drawing Mohamed and were punished for there transgressions against god? if they were drawing Mohamed then they were of a like mind and felt the same as us that it was worth risking your life for.

A Muslim who was killed while trying to kill the above group? self defense, he should not have been trying to kill someone for saying something he disagreed with.

random bystander who was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Someone uninvolved who will be killed if we do no capitulate to demands? I believe the technical term for that is a hostage. and I think we all know the term for people who take hostages, and the standard policy on negotiating with them.

[Polpolion]

wait what you didn't explain why i dont even

if they were drawing Mohamed then they were of a like mind and felt the same as us that it was worth risking your life for.

don't think this is exactly what Kara was talking about, and even if it were you neglected to mention why they [you] think it was worth risking their [your] life for. (aside from that they [you] do)

A Muslim who was killed while trying to kill the above group? self defense, he should not have been trying to kill someone for saying something he disagreed with.

uh, all right. I suppose it's your right to believe that tricking stupid people into committing crimes is a good idea.

random bystander who was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Someone uninvolved who will be killed if we do no capitulate to demands? I believe the technical term for that is a hostage. and I think we all know the term for people who take hostages, and the standard policy on negotiating with them.

that's not a reason why it's ok to draw mohamed if we assume it causes death.

[Bobboau]

ok, how about this.

because life is not worth living if it must be done living under fear that what you say can lead to your incarceration or death. the ultimate goal of this protest is for there to be no reaction to it.

[Polpolion]

because life is not worth living if it must be done living under fear that what you say can lead to your incarceration or death. the ultimate goal of this protest is for there to be no reaction to it.

I am afraid that I will get b& if I start calling everyone dirty names, but I neither stop posting because of it nor continuously call people dirty names. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this draw Mohamed thing is something that would stop if it were anywhere near as likely that the people that drew Mohamed would die as me getting b&. And I'm not going to even touch why you assume that everyone that would get killed in this situation agrees with you.

[Bobboau]

I honestly am having a hard time following you... ok, look let me just boil it down. I value freedom of expression, a lot. there, that's why.

[mjn.mixael]

He's basically saying that if you were in a situation where someone said "I might kill this dude over here if you draw Mohamed."... then you probably wouldn't draw Mohamed as quickly as you made this thread. Regardless of your stance on negotiating with them or how much you value freedom of expression or your feeling that it's worth the risk.

Way out here, so removed from any actual danger, it's pretty easy to say some words and say it's worth the risk.

[karajorma]

Furthermore, as I pointed out earlier, this is the 3rd such day. Is there a need for a 3rd day of protest? What happened between the 1st day and now to make it clear such a protest is needed? Haven't you made your point already? At what point do those of you who consider the day is unnecessary? As long as a minority still call for death? One or two imams? Any Muslim in the world?

With no statement of your goals beyond "Let's stick it to some fanatics" it's really hard to see what the goals of this day are beyond trolling.

[666maslo666]

At what point do those of you who consider the day is unnecessary? As long as a minority still call for death? One or two imams? Any Muslim in the world?

Yep, pretty much this long. Because trolling someone peaceful and moderate is just a dickish thing to do (but still should be perfectly legal unless it is harrassment or something). But trolling an extremist is almost a moral obligation!

Also, when it is repeated it may help to desensitise muslims to insults of their faith.

[The E]

Yep, pretty much this long. Because trolling someone peaceful and moderate is just a dickish thing to do (but still should be perfectly legal unless it is harrassment or something). But trolling an extremist is almost a moral obligation!

Trolling is just harassment filtered through the internet. Trolling someone, as you so rightly said, is a dickish thing to do, so why not follow Wheatons' Law and not do it when you know that the vast majority of people you are trolling is moderate and thus will only be radicalized by said trolling?

Also, when it is repeated it may help to desensitise muslims to insults of their faith.

I heard that being called a dickhead stops being insulting once you've been called a dickhead ten times. But that's not how humans work, now is it?

[NGTM-1R]

I heard that being called a dickhead stops being insulting once you've been called a dickhead ten times. But that's not how humans work, now is it?

I heard being able to depict one of the most influential religious and historical figures of all time is the same thing as calling people dickheads.

Seriously, that's a completely **** comparison of behavior, reflecting absolutely none of what makes this discussion tick. You're better than that.

[General Battuta]

I heard that being called a dickhead stops being insulting once you've been called a dickhead ten times. But that's not how humans work, now is it?

I heard being able to depict one of the most influential religious and historical figures of all time is the same thing as calling people dickheads.

Seriously, that's a completely **** comparison of behavior, reflecting absolutely none of what makes this discussion tick. You're better than that.

Hey stop using this post template you've picked up where it's [argument] [derisive personal attack] tia

[NGTM-1R]

Hey stop using this post template you've picked up where it's [argument] [derisive personal attack] tia

I have distilled the arguments against this to their essence and turned them around. "This is bad. You're dicks."

If it's not appreciated come up with more substantive levels to engage with the discussion people.

[The E]

Seriously, that's a completely **** comparison of behavior, reflecting absolutely none of what makes this discussion tick. You're better than that.

Why, exactly? If his hypothesis is that repeatedly insulting someone, or groups of someones, will lead to that group of people eventually becoming desensitized to being insulted, I want to see some proof. Personally, I believe that this is very much not the case; especially when talking about groups that receive a constant influx of new members. Someone is bound to take offence all over again, thus restarting the argument.

In addition, labelling a certain group of insults to be basically OK to use because "they need to grow up" is a rather silly concept in my opinion, and certainly does not deserve to be taken even remotely serious.

[Sandwich]

Not even gonna bother reading the entire thread. So sue me. Just stop being dicks and debate nicely.

So.... let's just call it "Draw [your deity's/religion's revered persona's name here] Day, sit back with muay thais and see which worldwide communities panic.

Here's my contribution: something I thought up myself, drew myself, and am posting myself (as a Jewish believer in Jesus who holds both the Old Testament and the New as the Word of God):