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Offline CP5670

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Wait for teh nv30 if you can. Its gonna be HELLA fast, and for you 3dfx fanatics...IT HAS GLIDE SUPPORT!  They didn't hire all of those ex-3dfx engineers to sit on their hands ya know.


That certainly sounds appealing, especially to "old game" fanatics like myself. :D

 

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I am looking for a profesional rendering card, a wildcat or something. I am more in rendering/animating then gaming.
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NV30...pah, boo sux.

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I've recently been doing some research on this subject, and have just bought a GF4 Ti4200.  Here's why.

The GF4 Ti line blows every previous graphics card out of the water.  This is fact.  Even the Ti4200 performs at least as well as the better GF3s, IIRC.

The Ti4200 costs way less than a Ti4600.  In addition, benchmarks have shown that it has impressive performance.  When you pay for a Ti4600 or even a Ti4400, you're paying a lot to have cutting-edge performance now.  In the long run, though, the Ti4200 will probably hold up just as well, as the actual performance difference between the cards is not huge.  It's the same reason you don't buy the absolute fastest processor out; you're paying a lot to get the fastest processor when the next-fastest processor probably costs half as much and is nearly as good.

Finally, the Ti4200 has been shown to overclock very well even if the default cooling is not replaced.


That's why I chose the Ti4200.  You may want to wait for the Parhelia-512, though; that card is shaping up to be incredible.  It will be quite a bit of money (~$500US), but if you're willing to fork over that much, it will serve you very well.
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I guess it has been released, then. Like I said earlier, the 4200 is one of the best deals out there today. ;)

 

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You may want to wait for the Parhelia-512, though; that card is shaping up to be incredible.  It will be quite a bit of money (~$500US), but if you're willing to fork over that much, it will serve you very well.


The 3Dlabs VPU is actually a better proposition, cuz like all other 3Dlabs chips it can run parallel with other P10's on the same board.....and is ready NOW :)

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Who do you trust, then?

I've been looking for a site that actually has a substantial amount of reviews, but I haven't found one.
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I guess it has been released, then. Like I said earlier, the 4200 is one of the best deals out there today. ;)


Heh, I missed your post somehow, sorry. :)
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2 - Getting a Voodoo4 or 5 for 3DFX games, I've not played Wing Commander Prophecy for some time because of this - it's just a case of finding the card. However this has little to do with the topic of the best new graphics cards...
 


The Voodoo cards would still have a fighting chance if the newer games would cooperate with it.


Just because 3Dfx is out of buisness doesn't mean that newer games can be compatible with it untill another 'cutting edge' card comes out, right? :confused:
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Thats just it - I'm all for owning a 3DFX card of some type just so I can play 3DFX games. But if the nv30 range will incorporate 3DFX Glide then there isn't much point on me shelling out for a V5!

 

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Who do you trust, then?

I've been looking for a site that actually has a substantial amount of reviews, but I haven't found one.


Aces Hardware
Ars Technica
Permedia General Resource (up until it shut down, that is)
Storagereview.com

Theinquirer.org
Theregister.co.uk

Those are the only sites with a consistent record of non-biased reviews.  EVERY other hardware site i'm aware of has turned up dodgy conclusions and test data one way or another.

If you want my credentials i've been a professional hardware engineer for almost 6 years.

 

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If i only had enough money to buy them all and try them out on by one. *Going to rob bank*
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Offline Kazashi

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Hope I didn't make it to the party too late :)

I'll try to help solve Thunder's dilemma as posted earlier

1) First up, we have specs for the NV30 and NV35 video cards, taken from here, which was taken from another source:

NV30 :
0.13 micron process
400MHz GPU
512-bit chip structure
AGP 8X
8 rendering pipelines
Supports 128-256MB of DDR SDRAM
900MHz DDR SDRAM
200 million polygons per second
Lightspeed Memory Architecture III
Supports DirectX 9 and OpenGL 1.3
In 3rd or 4th Quarter 2002

NV35 :
0.13 micron process
500MHz GPU
512-bit chip structure
AGP 8X
8 rendering pipelines
Supports 128-256MB of DDR SDRAM
1000-1200MHz DDR or QDR
400Mhz RAMDAC
Lightspeed Memory Architecture III
Supports DirectX 9.1 and OpenGL 2.0
In H1 2003


Sources are saying that the NV30 is only a couple of months off, though it probably won't be available for a few months afterwards. Most likely it would be in competition with the upcoming ATI R300, 3DLabs' P10 and the Matrox Parhelia. However, there is a difference between theory and practice, and the specs don't always tell the full story. If you need a video card now go and get one now. Otherwise you'll constantly be waiting for the Next Big Thing.


2) If you want to play Glide games on your computer then I would suggest tracking down one or two Voodoo2's. I currently run 2x12MB V2's alongside my GeForce3 for games using Glide, drivers are still readily obtainable from "underground" sources, if you upgrade your vid card in future you can still use Glide if you want to. Of course, they'll eat up PCI slots so if you can't afford to lose any then this wouldn't be a good solution.


3) It is true that the GeForce4 Ti series represent the most powerful gaming cards to date. The Radeon 8500 provides good competition in most areas, and even excells in some. However as most ATI users can attest their driver support sucks. While this is slowly being remedied over time, their lack of support in this manner remains a disadvantage. The GF4 line doesn't sacrifice looks for speed as much as other cards (e.g. GF2 vs Voodoo5), though if you've had the luxury of using a Matrox card for 2D work then you're going to be disappointed.


4) If you are going to go for a GF4 then I suggest starting to look at the Ti4200's. Good idea avoiding the GF4 MX, as has been pointed out already it's little more than a GF2 with support for a few advanced features. If you can afford it, move up to a Ti4400, if you can still afford it, move up to a Ti4600. Even with a Ti4200 you'll still be futureproof for some time, especially if you do end up overclocking the card (nowadays a very easy process). Beware of cheaper brands - Apollo and Powercolour for example make use of cheaper components and result in a noticeable drop in quality compared to brands such as Gainward, X-micro and Leadtek.


Those are my thoughts to play around with. Good luck with your hunting.
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and a drop in an Nvidia cards' image quality really would make everything look totally yucky!

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I've been running my computer with a Voodoo 3 2000 AGP for ages. Currently, I'm running an AMD Athlon 1.4 Ghz with it. Now, I don't know if I've hit a good combination or what, but it runs any game or program (Hell, even Lightwave, and all the detailed flight sims I have) I throw at it with all options maxed out, perfectly. I'm only going to consider upgrading when it stops running things I throw at it :p

 
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Originally posted by wEvil
Aces Hardware
Ars Technica
Permedia General Resource (up until it shut down, that is)
Storagereview.com

Theinquirer.org
Theregister.co.uk

Those are the only sites with a consistent record of non-biased reviews.  EVERY other hardware site i'm aware of has turned up dodgy conclusions and test data one way or another.

If you want my credentials i've been a professional hardware engineer for almost 6 years.


Thanks! :nod::yes:
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Screw image quality; I need speed! :D

 

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Wow, some really useful stuff there... I have to say I'm thinking of moving towards an nv35 range card... not because it's that much better over the nv30 range but because it supports OGL2 and DX9.1 and it's always nice to have that little bit more future proofing in a card. Yes, I know what they say about things never being future proof but... what can I say - it's nice to have just that little bit.

I just hope my GF2 keeps up till then!

 

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Wow, some really useful stuff there... I have to say I'm thinking of moving towards an nv35 range card... not because it's that much better over the nv30 range but because it supports OGL2 and DX9.1 and it's always nice to have that little bit more future proofing in a card. Yes, I know what they say about things never being future proof but... what can I say - it's nice to have just that little bit.

I just hope my GF2 keeps up till then!
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How exactly can a non-programmable card support DX9 and OGL2.0??

It might be compatible, not Compliant