[Eiswolf]

Wanted   3D Modeler for Aerotech Mod to make Aerospacefighters, Dropships, Jumpships, Warships, Spacestations and other thinks. Please send a PM to me for more Informations.

[The E]

NEEDED Poster who doesn't drag out 4-year-old threads for his requests. Consider this a warning; the red "This topic hasn't been posted in for 30 days" line isn't there for fun, but to avoid needless bumps. Next time, just make a new thread, okay?

[Droid803]

WANTED: A Fairy that will magically solve all my modding problems so I don't have to even think about them, including creating models, textures, missions, writing, editing, debug, coding custom features, providing character art, as well as making custom music, and voice acting every single character with a unique voice. Must be able to do all of the above within one week. Please send a PM to me for more Informations.

Thanks you bery much. Live the lively life thx to shield battery.

[The E]

Ahem, with all due respect, that was uncalled for, droid. Asking for help is perfectly legitimate.

[Droid803]

I honestly don't see the difference, though. Asking for help without showing any proof that you actually have a plan/have started anything/or are getting anywhere. :/

(not to mention I honestly would appreciate a fairy to help me, not that I'm realistically believing it's going to happen at all )

[Eiswolf]

Hmm... Missions, tbl Editing and other thinks i can do and i have done but the 3D modelling is for my a think i don´t understand...

The only one what i needed are 3D models.

All other thinks can i make it self...

[Droid803]

Eiswolf, you should just try.
Even if your models aren't the best, if you're working on something and have something to show, it'd attract more (positive) attention than just asking for help (which, IMO, just sounds fishy/ridiculous to expect anyone to respond to at all). You should be able to put together a few basic-looking models in Wings3D or some other free/easy-to-use modelling program to help generate some interest.

Even if you really can't, at the very least start a thread explaining what you want the goals of this "Aerotech Mod" is going to be, what direction it's going to go, check interest, etc. before just basically demanding help. Post a few screenshots/sketchs as concept art, talk about flight models/gameplay/weapons, whatnot! Get some hype going and people will volunteer to help without you asking...(or at least that's the hope), either way, it certainly wouldn't hurt your cause to let people know what is it that you're doing, because I personally have no idea what you're talking about.

Alright, I guess I should have said all of this first before doing my stupid sarcastic fairy comment...

[headdie]

Droid, let me ask you how many single person projects involving new ship sets have been released in the history of the community, then compare that to your replies.  To help you answer that, there is a significant reason such a massive thing was made of WoD being a solo project.

Also from Aerotech, some previous posts and references in to OP to "Dropships, Jumpships, Warships" I thing a Battletech mod revolving around the air and aerospace fighters so if you want concept art and table bases the I suggest starting at www.sarna.net

[Droid803]

Droid, let me ask you how many single person projects involving new ship sets have been released in the history of the community, then compare that to your replies.  To help you answer that, there is a significant reason such a massive thing was made of WoD being a solo project.

Now let me flip that and ask you, how many team projects involving new ship sets have been released in the history of the community, then compare that to the number of solo projects. It's about the same number. Not many in either case.

Now look at all the dead/archived big team large modpack projects, and the amount of talent in them.

How many big projects have you released? I've released three whole campaigns, all of which were basically solo projects (with a few people helping out here and there from time to time). All of them have fairly large modpacks of custom ships. Not all of them totally new, but whatever. None of the team-based campaigns I'm on have come anywhere close to amount of progress on any one of the solo/duo projects I've done. I'm speaking from personal experience here. Big teams generally get nowhere because you're too busy waiting for person A to pass it to person B so that person C can do something. It gives you an excuse to be lazy.

[mjn.mixael]

Careful Droid.. you are starting to seem a little too prideful...

You have a lot of experience that many don't have. Asking for help is an OK thing for others to do whether you would need that kind of help or not. If anything, threads like these can be used to point those people to tutorials and ways to learn all of these things you expect joe-modder to do on his own. So before this whole thread gets out of hand, let's just keep our perspective in check.

And yes, I know they could Google for tutorials.. but these types of threads aren't going to stop, so you might as well make the best of them.

[Droid803]

The problem I have with the first post here in this thread is because it's like a demand. It comes off like they think they're entitled to having someone do things for them without showing anything at all.

I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if I've at least heard of an interest check/discussion on the project.
I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if I've at least seen the person involved try doing something on their own.
I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if it wasn't worded like a demand for people to help, without any prior explanation.

I do mind a recruitment thread if it is the first thing I see from someone. It's like running by and going "DO THIS FOR ME. Contact me in private for why.", with no reference as to why anyone should even care about you.

I just see that as rude. I could just leave it alone, as I'm pretty sure nobody would give a damn and it'd just be ignored forever, but I just wanted to comment once. I don't see why this needed to turn into a small-scale ****storm. I never had a problem with asking for help, I have a problem with the way it was done, and why it was done.

[headdie]

The problem I have with the first post here in this thread is because it's like a demand. It comes off like they think they're entitled to having someone do things for them without showing anything at all.

I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if I've at least heard of an interest check/discussion on the project.
I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if I've at least seen the person involved try doing something on their own.
I wouldn't mind a recruitment thread if it wasn't worded like a demand for people to help, without any prior explanation.

I do mind a recruitment thread if it is the first thing I see from someone. It's like running by and going "DO THIS FOR ME. Contact me in private for why.", with no reference as to why anyone should even care about you.

I just see that as rude. I could just leave it alone, as I'm pretty sure nobody would give a damn and it'd just be ignored forever, but I just wanted to comment once. I don't see why this needed to turn into a small-scale ****storm. I never had a problem with asking for help, I have a problem with the way it was done, and why it was done.

all that is expressed in the OP is the desire for someone who can 3D model to help, there is no demand and while there is a little info on what is wanted and little more info to be sure would be nice a little application of brain power gives you the basic setting.  as for demand, hmmm lets see why there is an entire board on here dedicated to a computer game based on the Battletech setting and so long as it plays well I would love to play it.

I dont know about everyone else but all i seem to see from you recently droid is a lot of "I do it all myself so should you!", along with "I am right you are wrong and if you dont like it jump on my middle finger and swivel because I will batter you until you submit" combined with a general defeatist attitude, seriously mate chill.

[Droid803]

That's a fair assessment of what I've been doing. I guess I should tone it down...just that I've been getting irritated by a lot of things recently.

However, I still stand by the fact that the OP is, if nothing else, very poorly presented for its purpose. :/

[Rampage]

NEEDED Poster who doesn't drag out 4-year-old threads for his requests. Consider this a warning; the red "This topic hasn't been posted in for 30 days" line isn't there for fun, but to avoid needless bumps. Next time, just make a new thread, okay?

I really think someone (a moderator) should come up with a HLP Code of Conduct based on HLP tradition and culture (or the unspoken way how people ought to behave at HLP).  Many people who are new here and are rightfully ignorant of how we conduct ourselves will do something that isn't necessarily wrong by principle but still will irk many people b/c the behavior is not in line with our forum culture.  All people who are new ought to read this, digest it, and put it into practice.  This will save us the time of being irritated and save the newb from getting a bashing and a custom title he may or may not want.

...but the 3D modelling is for my a think i don´t understand...

The only one what i needed are 3D models.

This is an attitude problem, not a skill issue.  No one here, not even the most revered 3D artists at HLP, knew how to model when he first started off.  But instead of complaining, they took it upon themselves to learn.

Also, if you really need something and are desperate enough to get it, then will you be just as desperate enough to do anything to acquire the skills to do so?  This isn't only applicable to success in modding and 3D design but to a successful and ambitious (real) life in general.

Big teams generally get nowhere because you're too busy waiting for person A to pass it to person B so that person C can do something. It gives you an excuse to be lazy.

It seems to be a blanket statement but to a large extent it is very true (Inferno, for example).  But then again many times things must turn out this way because most people are not talented in everything (unlike Spoon or to an extent, yourself).

R

[NGTM-1R]

This is an attitude problem, not a skill issue.  No one here, not even the most revered 3D artists at HLP, knew how to model when he first started off.  But instead of complaining, they took it upon themselves to learn.

Assumes facts not in evidence. He hasn't said he's never tried; perhaps he has and he's just too bad at it to make his vision a reality. Asking for help rather than spending years developing the necessary skills isn't a thing to be mocked.

[Spoon]

I actually think Droid speaks a lot of truth in this thread 

[Rampage]

Assumes facts not in evidence. He hasn't said he's never tried; perhaps he has and he's just too bad at it to make his vision a reality. Asking for help rather than spending years developing the necessary skills isn't a thing to be mocked.

True, and we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But my point was completely missed; the tone regarding 3D design in his post is one of resignation, not one of help seeking.  That, my friend, is an attitude problem.

I actually think Droid speaks a lot of truth in this thread 

Quoted for truth.

R

[zookeeper]

How can you presume to identify attitude problems by reading between the lines of a post written by someone whose english is at best rudimentary?

[Black Wolf]

You know what? Niceness drive. This thread isn't nice.

Eiswolf: Feel free to start the thread again, possibly with a a bit more detail about what you want, what you've already done, and what you're willing to contribute to the project. But do be aware that this thread is not being locked because of you.