[Nuke]

while this article is clearly written by a man with no cock and balls who dresses up like girl when hes home alone at 3am and crys in the corner all night. but i did read the whole thing. it merely identifies one means of manipulation. granted one ive never seen used. i mean why call a gal 'too sensitive' or tell her shes "overreacting" when there are perfectly good words like "****", "whore" and "*****", that are more to the point. in fact ive never heard either phrase used in that context by anyone outside of a ****ing romantic comedy, or the occasional bsdm porno.

if men are gaslighting their women around and intentionally manipulating them then thats just being a dick, but unfortunately our society seems to reward being a dick up to a point. the nice guy who read the article in the op and decides to put that information to use when dealing with the opposite sex, probibly isnt going to get laid, but that gaslighting asshole is getting some. and manipulation is everywhere in the real world. bosses are a good example. manipulative assholes make excellent bosses (and politicians). ive known several master manipulators who were also women.

im far more concerned about the use of the word "crazy" or "insane" to describe the mentally sound. i find that very offensive.

i like to think i treat women fairly. i mean i always pay them after sex.

You are so sensitive Nuke

yes, but im also a very good shot. now get off my lawn.

[Lorric]

granted one ive never seen used.

Probably because you don't have it in you to see.

[Nuke]

i see some pretty disturbing **** while observing human nature. but ive never seen a guy tell a gal that she is overreacting or is too sensitive. maybe its because im not surrounded by liberal wankers who talk about eachothers emotions in public.

[Lorric]

i see some pretty disturbing **** while observing human nature. but ive never seen a guy tell a gal that she is overreacting or is too sensitive. maybe its because im not surrounded by liberal wankers who talk about eachothers emotions in public.

You're missing the point, it's not about the wording. For instance I've never heard anyone tell someone they're being oversensitive in my life I don't think. It's about being a jerk, and then trivialising the whole thing when the victim gets upset. Jerks don't generally have words like oversensitive in their vocabulary.

[Nuke]

yes people are dicks. i didnt need an article to tell me that. we know how to identify who the dicks are. they are easy to spot. but yet society still rewards them with high paying jobs, sexual partners, and large amounts of power. the world is run by dicks. nice people will read the article and use the knowledge to treat women better, a dick will read it and immediately have a new weapon in their arsenal. further more it drives a wedge between two groups of people. and so long as people continue to wall themselves off in little groups they deserve what they get.

[Lorric]

yes people are dicks. i didnt need an article to tell me that. we know how to identify who the dicks are. they are easy to spot. but yet society still rewards them with high paying jobs, sexual partners, and large amounts of power. the world is run by dicks. nice people will read the article and use the knowledge to treat women better, a dick will read it and immediately have a new weapon in their arsenal. further more it drives a wedge between two groups of people. and so long as people continue to wall themselves off in little groups they deserve what they get.

The article is supposed to help women see the cycle, and the motivation of the jerks which they can't because they're just living in the moment and having reality twisted by the jerks. Although it should really have been for anyone. The jerks know what they're doing. They don't need any help, they already know how to play the game and win. Not that I can see many jerks reading something like that in the first place anyway.

Nice guys won't need the article because they're nice guys, so they're not dicks in the first place.

Dicks running the World, I don't see how you can alter that really. They want it more than nice people do. As far as getting laid goes, being a jerk probably does work for getting girls in bed better and faster, but I wouldn't think it would be the best way if you wanted a proper relationship.

[SypheDMar]

The article isn't saying we should coddle women and give legitimately unacceptable behavior a pass, it's just saying to give a man's word and a woman's word the same validity. We don't have to flip roles here and make men suffer under the matriarchy or something. We could just, you know, treat each other fairly. You shouldn't dismiss something from a woman (or foreigner, or racial minority, or homosexual, etc.) that you would have otherwise taken seriously from a man.

This. What the hell happened?

For the record, I'm with redsniper and Battuta on this.

[Mika]

Kudos for posting the article!

This brings up a couple of connections to evolution too for it is not the most caring or loving who survive. It is the most fit to the current environment, and currently egoism pays off. The question on my mind is, what is the role of laws on narsistic (sp?) behavior, do they actually suppress or increase it? Some people notice narsists from afar, and could intervene, but the laws tend to prevent that, and on top of that, the referred abusive "jerk" gets likely DEFENDED by his girlfriend in the court.

To open the discussion to another direction (generalization warning), I have to mention that for some time, I have been thinking that the nature has intended the higher functioning autists to be the natural counterpart for narsists, as their nature seems to be almost the opposite. Narsists are well-aware of the social hierarchy, while autists simply do not care about it. Autists seem to have a very intrisic moral code, while narsists then do not care about it.

However, I'm still waiting for a research paper on the role of women controlling the sex life in a partnership, which would lead to another interesting topic; does prostitution have an effect on divorce rates, and if so, what is that effect?

[Dilmah G]

The article isn't saying we should coddle women and give legitimately unacceptable behavior a pass, it's just saying to give a man's word and a woman's word the same validity. We don't have to flip roles here and make men suffer under the matriarchy or something. We could just, you know, treat each other fairly. You shouldn't dismiss something from a woman (or foreigner, or racial minority, or homosexual, etc.) that you would have otherwise taken seriously from a man.

This. What the hell happened?

For the record, I'm with redsniper and Battuta on this.

I'm with you three. I'd actually read this article before and wished both then and now that I could've shared it on Facebook without something akin to this thread happening and everyone proclaiming 'feminazi!' and aggressively asserting that there is no problem.

[karajorma]

While I agree that this is a problem, I think it was a stupid decision to frame this as a man vs women thing. It goes on plenty in other dynamics.

[jr2]

Yeah this definitely can happen with other players.

I think it's more usually abusive, narcissistic person vs person who is vulnerable in some way to the abuser. Hence why the stereotype of guy vs girl.

I'm willing to bet that a lot of gaslighting is either sex adult vs either sex child, as they are uniquely vulnerable, especially to their caregivers and parents.

[Nuke]

Kudos for posting the article!

This brings up a couple of connections to evolution too for it is not the most caring or loving who survive. It is the most fit to the current environment, and currently egoism pays off. The question on my mind is, what is the role of laws on narsistic (sp?) behavior, do they actually suppress or increase it? Some people notice narsists from afar, and could intervene, but the laws tend to prevent that, and on top of that, the referred abusive "jerk" gets likely DEFENDED by his girlfriend in the court.

To open the discussion to another direction (generalization warning), I have to mention that for some time, I have been thinking that the nature has intended the higher functioning autists to be the natural counterpart for narsists, as their nature seems to be almost the opposite. Narsists are well-aware of the social hierarchy, while autists simply do not care about it. Autists seem to have a very intrisic moral code, while narsists then do not care about it.

However, I'm still waiting for a research paper on the role of women controlling the sex life in a partnership, which would lead to another interesting topic; does prostitution have an effect on divorce rates, and if so, what is that effect?

ive been with many prostitutes and i haven't been divorced once.

[SypheDMar]

While I agree that this is a problem, I think it was a stupid decision to frame this as a man vs women thing. It goes on plenty in other dynamics.

I agree, and this should be recognized as well. I should've mentioned this sooner, but I also meant to say that I know one of my old friends have purposefully agitated me politically just to get me mad, only to shut me down when I do say something, saying something along the lines of, "And here you go again with your politics."  It's also why this article was more personal to me.

Even in the article, though, I don't think it was necessarily framed as men vs women. At least, I didn't take it as such.

[General Battuta]

if men are gaslighting their women around and intentionally manipulating them then thats just being a dick, but unfortunately our society seems to reward being a dick up to a point. the nice guy who read the article in the op and decides to put that information to use when dealing with the opposite sex, probibly isnt going to get laid,

I literally have more women on me than I know what to do with

[Flipside]

While I agree that this is a problem, I think it was a stupid decision to frame this as a man vs women thing. It goes on plenty in other dynamics.

Yup, as I said in my other post, this is a common trick among management in companies that mistreat their staff, to try and make the staff believe that it is their own fault.

I remember once being told I had 'Anger Management' issues, to which my response was, "Yes, the ineptitude of the management here makes me angry"

[Scotty]

Nuke, you're not even being funny on this one.  It's just sickening, whether that's how you actually think or not.  Kindly stop, please, or see your way out of the thread.  That kind of trivialization is practically the entire point of the whole article, and making light of it is exactly what shouldn't be happening.

HLP has come a long way in the last couple years, but this whole thread (minus a few, like redsniper and Battuta) makes me shake my head at how little it takes for the worst to come out of it.

[An4ximandros]

The price of enlightenment is eternal patience.

[Nuke]

who's trying to be funny. if i had read this thread 10 years ago, id have agreed with red and bat as well. but since then ive seen too damn much in about as much time to have any remaining respect for any human life what so ever. burn it, burn it all to the ground, that is your enlightenment, then eternal blackness.

[stinkyFeet]

HLP has come a long way in the last couple years, but this whole thread (minus a few, like redsniper and Battuta) makes me shake my head at how little it takes for the worst to come out of it.

Why does everyone say this about me?

[redsniper]

Not just you, most of the people in this thread. The people espousing pathetic and reprehensible opinions.

Also,

I literally have more women on me than I know what to do with

Give them my number, kthx.