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Tell us about your behavior in Act 3!

I had no technical issues running Act 3
I had some technical issues running Act 3
I can't run Act 3 :(
I read most of the material in the dreamscape
I didn't spend much time in the dreamscape
I sanitized the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
I released the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die
I don't think the Ridwan pilots had to die
Kovacs was my favorite wingman
Falconer was my favorite wingman
Vidaura was my favorite wingman
Those wingmen were not my favorite people
I had a horrible time on the assassination
I had no trouble pulling off the assassination
I used the decoy transport during the assassination
I used the sensor flashbang during the assassination
I hacked a Mjolnir during the assassination
I pulled that assassination off with NO ITEMS
I destroyed the Gef reactor in 'One Future'
I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'
'One Future' made me regret my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
I hated flying the Custos-X
I loved flying the Custos-X
I was overwhelmed by 'Her Finest Hour'
I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'
I destroyed the Carthage
I took the Carthage's surrender
I summoned the Toutatis in 'Her Finest Hour'
I got the Toutatis killed by Serkr in 'Her Finest Hour'
I had no trouble with the turret placement in 'Eyes in the Storm'
Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'
I wasn't bothered by 'Universal Truth'
'Universal Truth' really freaked me out
I met the face of madness in 'Universal Truth'
I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
I found the laughing man in 'Universal Truth'
I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen
I'm uncomfortable with the Fedayeen
I have supported the UEF, and still do
I have supported the GTVA, and still do
I changed sides from UEF to GTVA
I changed sides from GTVA to UEF
Humanity is doomed!
Humanity has a chance!

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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Are you seriously suggesting the GTI could wreck a system of communication developed by a species that is thousands of years old and perhaps dominating an entire galaxy without any opposition?

 

Offline Buckshee Rounds

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
It could be the Nagari equivalent of noise, like radio jamming. It's not the Vishnans' method of communicating humans that has to be stopped, merely the ability of humans to receive. Nagari isn't magic, it exists in the real world and so long as it does it can be blocked. As to how you 'block' quantum pulses well... :confused:

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Well indeed. Sometimes, I gather that it's somewhat like "quantum entanglement communication" from mass effect, in which direct, instantaneous and untraceable communication is made between two entangled atoms (its violation of locality is unrealistic but fun). However, if it's instantaneous it should not have "pulses" or "waves" or "fields" at all (the ani of the ETAK showing the NTF Iceni "pulsating" a "wave" of alledged quantum pulses does not describe the same mechanism as the QEM). Then again, if it is not instantaneous but rather travelling at the speed of light, then communication would be chaotically out of sync and outrageously lagged.

But yes I agree, the only way to "jam" a QEM would be precisely to tamper with the receiver ends, as you put it.

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Are you seriously suggesting the GTI could wreck a system of communication developed by a species that is thousands of years old and perhaps dominating an entire galaxy without any opposition?

"All systems can be subverted, your mind is no exception (...)" - Ken

Edit: Corrected quote for universal truth.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 02:00:13 pm by An4ximandros »

 
Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Well it's already established that the Nagari phenomenon can be tested for, like in the mission Ken, so as an example if you could somehow detect Nagari levels on a large scale that could be used as a kind of screening device of who is safe from influence.

With the phrasing of how Ken described it in Universal Truth, this was the kind of impression I got of what MORPHEUS was about.

Furthermore, the Fedayeen were able to project Laporte into the Nagari network, and while not 'wrecking' it, she penetrated their network in a way that neither side seemed to expect or be happy about. This alone seems to indicate that the Nagari phenomenon can be subverted given the right circumstances.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 01:51:46 pm by Ryuseiken »

 

Offline Qent

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I had some technical issues running Act 3
I had to turn down the graphics to make the intro watchable. I had several CTDs; a couple, I think, in "Her Finest Hour": once when I called in all the reinforcements at the same time, if that may have had something to do with it. At the end of "Her Finest Hour," the game froze for a bit at very regular 3- or 5- second intervals.

I read most of the material in the dreamscape
... but flying around was tedius. So was spamming clicks to ensure that I read all the one-liners. :(

I sanitized the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
If they got away, word could get out that we were there.

I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die
See above. Sorry, guys. :(

Those wingmen were not my favorite people
They all seemed to bleed together, and I honestly couldn't tell you which is which, except that Falconer didn't like Noemi at first. I liked... Thorn.

I had no trouble pulling off the assassination
I pulled that assassination off with NO ITEMS
The first time I got caught in the Shrike blast because I confused them with Paveways. Second try I blasted the transport and glided away.

I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'
I thought I read in the briefing that capture was preferrable to destruction, so I did that. Plus I really didn't want to have to fly inside if I didn't have to.

'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
It wasn't anything personal... they just had to keep quiet.

I loved flying the Custos-X
It felt less responsive than the Karuna, but maybe that's just in proportion to its size. Sniping fighters with the railgun was fun. Gatler spam was pretty. Countermeasures were cool. I didn't use any of the turret targeting options.

I was overwhelmed by 'Her Finest Hour'
I adapted well to 'Her Finest Hour'
It took a while to wrap my head around all the objectives I could consider. Then a while longer to understand my capabilities, my wingmen's, and the artillery's; e.g., many times I raced for the bombers at full burn because I didn't trust C-3-5 to do the trick. The first try I went straight for the gas miners and lost the frigate because I didn't realize it was in danger, then died somewhere along the line. Eventually I noticed the gauge at the top, but I didn't really use it to determine my actions. On my successful attempt, I C-3-5'd the frigate, marked all gas miners, Mjolnirs, and minelayers for artillery (to work around the artillery bug), flew full burn to the AWACSes to Grimler, artillery took care of the gas miners, C-3-1'd the Mjolnirs (and maybe the minelayers; I don't remember if they were down yet), scanned the station and corvettes, ignored the Carthage's dishes, called in the assault, called in ALL reinforcements, destroyed both corvettes, then disabled the Carthage.

I took the Carthage's surrender
I always accept Orion frame donations. It might be useful somehow, or (if we survive) it could become a museum or something. I felt nothing either way for Admiral Lopez.

Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'
The zooming in and out when moving the reticule and the stickiness/latency of the controls made it hard to actually target the platforms. I wasn't sure of any great configuration, so I just dropped all the tanks roughly evenly, and activated them on the second wave.

'Universal Truth' really freaked me out
I was really worried about going insane. Good job on this one.

I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
I... think? My sanity level was Rec4asjk0!1 or something, but I passed the mission I think.

I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen
I'm uncomfortable with the Fedayeen
Having a soulless machine around that ensures the survival of humanity at any cost is pretty scary, but it seems to be the only chance now.

I have no idea whom I support
The one thing I'm sure of is that I'll destroy the Vishnans if at all possible, although it sort of seems like "destroy the Vishnans" isn't even a concept that makes sense. So anyway, as far as I know, I'll probably have to destroy the GTVA and/or kill all the elders.

Humanity has a chance!
I wouldn't see the point of the story if it didn't. :P

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Are you seriously suggesting the GTI could wreck a system of communication developed by a species that is thousands of years old and perhaps dominating an entire galaxy without any opposition?

"All systems can be subverted, your mind is no exception (...)" - Ken

Edit: Corrected quote for universal truth.

Hope is the quintessential... oh wait wrong fiction.

 

Offline docfu

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Are you seriously suggesting the GTI could wreck a system of communication developed by a species that is thousands of years old and perhaps dominating an entire galaxy without any opposition?

Easily...

I'll give two examples:

1. Teamspeak - Anyone can get on an open channel and crank in noise. Open new accounts even after getting banned and continue harrassing forcing people to regroup/set up additional security instead of playing the game.

2. The private trading system used by stock brokers in America has NO/ZERO/NONE/NADA protection against *inside* attacks. It's secure from the outside but any trader could seriously do some damage if they had a bad day and decided they were done with that lifestyle.

You can't have a network as 'open' as Nagari and secure at the same time. If you are going to go so far as to share thoughts and let people into your own mind there is no way you can filter what goes out/what comes in until AFTER the fact.

(Obvious reference to that-website-you-wish-you-hadn't-opened-but-did-and-now-you-need-eye-bleach withheld for obvious reasons...)

I think Laporte is going to Rick Roll the entire Vishnan/Shivan armada into submission...

 

Offline The E

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
The thing is though, Both the shivans and vishnans are vastly more powerful in the Nagari realm. So far, humans do not seem capable of initiating Nagari contact without technical aids; and even then, only very few individuals can actually go through that process. Trying to jam Nagari with those assets would be like trying to disturb an AC/DC concert using the speaker of a mobile phone.
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Offline docfu

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
See? I knew if I blabbed long enough someone would reveal some useful information about Nagari... = :P :yes:

 

Offline The E

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Everything I said is mentioned or can be inferred by looking at the relevant data in the campaign.
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I think Laporte is going to Rick Roll the entire Vishnan/Shivan armada into submission...

Yeah I mean what could a Kardashev type 3 civilization cartel possibly do against a human being.

 

Offline -Sara-

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Completely random, but after Universal Truth, having implants put in her brain and a slurry of drugs pumped through her cranial chambers, wouldn't Noemi Laporte's head look like a bald-shaved patchwork of surgical scars for a good while? :nod:
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Offline Killer Whale

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Olivia Dunham disagrees.

 
Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I had no technical issues running Act 3
Besides switchable graphics *****ing and using the nvidia card for everything but the normal bp2 executable...

I read most of the material in the dreamscape
Everything I could get out of it!

I released the Gefs in 'Nothing is True'
The Gefs did their risky job and most of them died anyway. The surviving pilots deserved it.

I believed the Ridwan pilots had to die
They are in the military and they ended up at the wrong place.

Those wingmen were not my favorite people
I couldn't decide which one is my favorite cause they didn't get enough screentime...

I had no trouble pulling off the assassination
I hacked a Mjolnir during the assassination
Took me one try to figure out how to detect the right transport and the first attempt to destroy it failed because: "How do I fire this stupid Mjolnir thing???"

I captured the Gef habitat in 'One Future'
'One Future' didn't change my earlier decision about the Gef pilots
There is absolutely no need for them to die after letting the Gef pilots survive. Those fanatic guys defending the asteroid on the other hand deserved their death.

I loved flying the Custos-X
Liked it more than flying the Karuna. I had to remap several keys and use mouse controls cause I usually play with keyboard only and my mapping made it impossible to fly the Custos but otherwise it was real fun.

I was overwhelmed by 'Her Finest Hour'
Took me way too many tries to figure out what to do and how to do it and when. Then no one told me the reinforcements will arrive at my position which accounts for another failure. After realizing that my wingmen have "plot armor" things got a lot easier though.

I took the Carthage's surrender
I have a lot of respect for Lopez. She placed her subordinates above her orders which may be a huge tactical mistake but still - won't let a person with such a character die. It's not her fault that the wargods ended up in that trap. Steele on the other hand has to pay at some point!

Placing turrets was tricky during 'Eyes in the Storm'
I can't think of any better way doing this using sexps but as a person who played a lot of tower defenses the controls were not what I expected.

I met the face of madness in 'Universal Truth'
1. Don't turn around? Let's turn and see what happens...
2. Which of the nodes is the exit? Oh my mental health is "perfectly fine" - does this mean I can fly around a bit more?

I escaped 'Universal Truth' with my mind intact
I still have to kick some asses. Need a functional brain to do this.

I recognize the necessity of the Fedayeen
Cool missions, powerful and state of the art weapons, undercover ops, ... They are necessary.
Additionally someone has to do all the dirty jobs.

I changed sides from UEF to GTVA
Seriously, who wants to fly for a government that is manipulated by aliens that ordered some other aliens to kill us?

Humanity has a chance!
Otherwise we don't get anymore BP Acts at some point.
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Offline Terminator

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I didn't even know that you could bring in the Toutatis in Her Finest Hour

Also now that I think about it, I did have one technical issue with Her Finest Hour. Might be my computer since the same thing happens when I play Fallout: New Vegas. If I play F:NV for an extended period, it stutters every second like clockwork. The same thing happened in Her Finest Hour when I called in the attack. The problem doesn't show up in any other mission so I dunno...  :confused:

Also I replayed Act 3 and let the Gef pilots live, only to regret it later as they made things quite a pain on hard mode :P
« Last Edit: January 15, 2013, 07:54:20 pm by Terminator »

 

Offline -Sara-

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I didn't even know that you could bring in the Toutatis in Her Finest Hour

Also now that I think about it, I did have one technical issue with Her Finest Hour. Might be my computer since the same thing happens when I play Fallout: New Vegas. If I play F:NV for an extended period, it stutters every second like clockwork. The same thing happened in Her Finest Hour when I called in the attack. The problem doesn't show up in any other mission so I dunno...  :confused:

Also I replayed Act 3 and let the Gef pilots live, only to regret it later as they made things quite a pain on hard mode :P

As far as I know you only get to call the Toutatis if you take really long to sufficiently damage the Carthage, as a sort of 'lets finish this' option.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
No, I think you get the option when both Naras have departed and you don't have any other assets on station.
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Offline -Sara-

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
Will check FRED but after a simulator replay and toying with the Carthage's turrets Noemi started mumbling this had to end fast, and the Toutatis option came up. Maybe I lost the frigates without giving it thought but as far as I know they were around.

In the first and only campaign playthrough I did, I took the Carthage before the option was given.

EDIT: Checked. There's 4 conditions. Three of them involve the Carthage being disabled, the frigates having been destroyed or departed, but with different time intervals. The 4th has the Toutatis option even if the frigates are and stay in the field, but not until 5 minutes after the Carthage has been disabled.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 05:36:24 am by -Sara- »
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Offline Crybertrance

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Re: The Monumental Tenebra Census (read me and post me!) (BIG spoilers!)
I didn't even know that you could bring in the Toutatis in Her Finest Hour

Also now that I think about it, I did have one technical issue with Her Finest Hour. Might be my computer since the same thing happens when I play Fallout: New Vegas. If I play F:NV for an extended period, it stutters every second like clockwork. The same thing happened in Her Finest Hour when I called in the attack. The problem doesn't show up in any other mission so I dunno...  :confused:

Also I replayed Act 3 and let the Gef pilots live, only to regret it later as they made things quite a pain on hard mode :P

I get the clockwork like stutter after calling in the fleet too! FPS stays at a constant 30~40...but the stutter (like after every second) is consistent. Never experienced anything of this sort in FSO before.
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