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Offline Black_Yoshi1230

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At least the Amun is getting the respect it deserves, with the new, shiny HTL model recently released.

Amun = decent, large coolness. Osiris? Pah.

EDIT: Now that this topic is split and I got the unceremonious position of first post, I had to fit it with context.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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The lead designer of the Osiris was turned by the GTA and worked as a secret agent for the Terran military.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Try intercepting with a Valk a wing of Orisises with Avenger turrets and improved AI, and then tell me it sucks. That thing is scary, I'm telling ya. Really scary.
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Offline Apollo

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Try intercepting with a Valk a wing of Orisises with Avenger turrets and improved AI, and then tell me it sucks. That thing is scary, I'm telling ya. Really scary.

Fury AI makes it dangerous to attack two fighters at once. Attacking four bombers with turrets is going to be almost suicidal, regardless of how crappy the individual ships are.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Try intercepting with a Valk a wing of Orisises with Avenger turrets and improved AI, and then tell me it sucks. That thing is scary, I'm telling ya. Really scary.

With shields or without? Because without shields they shouldn't even have Avengers.

Also the Amun also has two turrets.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Shields ? You think a continuous salvo of hellishly accurate Avengers gives a **** about puny Valk shields ? :p

The Amun isn't better with its Banshees, but you meet the Osiris more often.

Fury AI makes it dangerous to attack two fighters at once. Attacking four bombers with turrets is going to be almost suicidal, regardless of how crappy the individual ships are.
Try attacking a wing of Artemis instead of a wing of Osiris. Or a wing of Boanerges. Hell, even a wing of Sekhmets. Those are pieces of cake because you can evade being in front of their guns. You can't evade being in the field of fire of Osiris or Amun turrets.
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Offline Apollo

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Shields ? You think a continuous salvo of hellishly accurate Avengers gives a **** about puny Valk shields ? :p

The Amun isn't better with its Banshees, but you meet the Osiris more often.

Try attacking a wing of Artemis instead of a wing of Osiris. Or a wing of Boanerges. Hell, even a wing of Sekhmets. Those are pieces of cake because you can evade being in front of their guns. You can't evade being in the field of fire of Osiris or Amun turrets.

The Osiris doesn't have Avenger turrets, it has Prometheus or Prometheus R. I have a feeling you're better at FreeSpace than me, because a wing of Artemis with Fury AI would be quite dangerous to me (so long as they actually bothered to defend themselves).

The Amun could do exactly the same thing, and it carries far more bombs and armor.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Shields ? You think a continuous salvo of hellishly accurate Avengers gives a **** about puny Valk shields ? :p

The Amun isn't better with its Banshees, but you meet the Osiris more often.

Try attacking a wing of Artemis instead of a wing of Osiris. Or a wing of Boanerges. Hell, even a wing of Sekhmets. Those are pieces of cake because you can evade being in front of their guns. You can't evade being in the field of fire of Osiris or Amun turrets.

The Osiris doesn't have Avenger turrets, it has Prometheus or Prometheus R. I have a feeling you're better at FreeSpace than me, because a wing of Artemis with Fury AI would be quite dangerous to me (so long as they actually bothered to defend themselves).

The Amun could do exactly the same thing, and it carries far more bombs and armor.

If an Amun actually turns to attack you directly it can do a hell of a lot more damage to you than an Osiris can.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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How would an Amun attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you.

What are you flying, a cruiser ?
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How would an Amun attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you.

What are you flying, a cruiser ?

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How would an Amun attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you.

What are you flying, a cruiser ?
I do understand that you're not a native English speaker, however, there's a reason he put 'If' on the front of his sentence.
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Offline Apollo

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How would an Amun attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you.

What are you flying, a cruiser ?

How would an Osiris attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you and overcome its terrible gun placement. The Amun is still pretty bad in that regard, but at least it has a better chance with four guns instead of two.

The Amun would point at you while you're attacking one of its wingmen and bury you under Prometheus fire and Furies.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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How would an Osiris attack you with its primaries, it'd need to outturn you and overcome its terrible gun placement.
My point is that it doesn't need to, because it has two turrets with excellent coverage.
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MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
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Offline Apollo

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My point is that it doesn't need to, because it has two turrets with excellent coverage.

So what? It's still unlikely to survive an attack by even one interceptor. The Amun has worse coverage and handling, but also far more firepower, armor and shielding. It also has a smaller target profile, which gives it some measure of evasion to offset its terrible maneuverability.

Yes, a wing of Osirises with Fury turret AI is dangerous. As is a wing of Medusas, Ursas, Amuns, Seraphims, or Nephilims. This does not prevent the Osiris from being a piece of crap bomber with a deficient payload.
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Offline Black_Yoshi1230

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I also forgot the Osiris can carry the UD-8 Kayser, but not the Maxim. Huh.

Back to the Amun, would it be able to stand up to snuff against Second War era craft like Deimoses and stuff?
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Better than the Osiris could.
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Gosh darn if people would be are jealous of the  new amun, I'll just go and make a new shiny osiris! :p
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Offline SypheDMar

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I'm not convinced an Amun is more dangerous than an Osiris against fighters. As far as I can tell, cover fire is important (which is why the Boanerges is so bad in the first place). And if an Osiris has better/more cover fire than an Amun, I can't imagine the latter to be better at even attacking other bombers.

And with the Trebuchet in  production by FS2, I don't think Amuns stand a good chance of surviving the period.

 

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I preffer Osiris, because the gunpoints on Amun are so far from each other they miss a herc from 200m range :P I'd take sekkie/baka over one of these any time.

And seriously, did the turrets really kill anyone ever? IMHO if it ain't kayser turret or better, it does squat.
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