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Offline castor

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Re: Bye bye 90% of the internet
"Why a woman exposing her breasts is immoral?"
Immoral? Nah, rather a distraction. If not a distraction, it'd be bland. And if bland.. well that'd really suck. So it's all for your own good :P

 

Offline 666maslo666

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WTF, first in Iceland and now for whole EU they want to ban porn. Whats up with these crazy people lately? I thought we progressed beyond such pseudomoralistic BS already.
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Offline Dragon

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Also Dragon, you are saying dumb things.
If "dumb things"="things you don't get", then this statement could become defensible. Otherwise, dismissing my entire post ex cathedra isn't contributing anything useful to the discussion. I might have oversimplified something, wrote something ambiguously or made a honest mistake. Point that out, and I'll respond.
I disagree with your notion that these taboos and repressions are religiously justified, at least in Europe. They are, ironically, justified using naturalistic justifications (homossexuality isn't the "natural way" of doing things), pure disgust, fear of blatant nihillism creeping in, etc. Cultures are much more intrinsic than religion.
Note that I only used homosexuality as an example of how eastern perceptions of sexuality are different from ours. Sexuality in general is natural, so I don't see any "naturalistic" justifications for prohibiting nudity. Disgust at nudity is a result of 2000 years of repressing sexuality (you don't see that in tribes which go around naked all the time). Because of that, nudity and sexuality are very emotionally loaded and produce extreme reactions. In ancient times (before Christianity), nudity was much less of a deal.
Please elaborate on the nihilism part, I'm not sure what you meant by that.
You might find it really cool to have girls exposing their bodies and so on. For what is worth, I consider the "taboo" of dressing properly one of the highest forms of public health measures we have ever come up with. And by "health" I mean "protecting our eyes from hazard exposures of ghastly sights".
I'm not advocating ditching nudity taboo because I like to look at nude people, but because it's illogical. A pretty girl has just as much right to undress as an ugly old man. You might not want to look at the latter, but aesthetics have little to do with morality. There's nothing immoral about nudity, of any age, gender or body type.

 

Offline Spoon

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You are seriously advocating that it should be a-okay for everyone to go around streaking 'because primitive tribes in africa do it'? Oh wait no, because it's illogical:lol:
And the ' far east has a different problem altogether.', because walking around clothed is the biggest problem mankind is facing right now.  :lol:

I retract my previous statement. Do go on, this is comedy gold.
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Offline Dragon

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You are seriously advocating that it should be a-okay for everyone to go around streaking 'because primitive tribes in africa do it'? Oh wait no, because it's illogical:lol:
You obviously did not understand my point. Think off a logical answer as to my question then. Why everyone shouldn't be allowed to go around naked? What is immoral about being nude around other people? Also, answering along the lines "It's obvious, everyone knows they shouldn't." isn't an answer at all.

 

Offline LordMelvin

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Re: Bye bye 90% of the internet
<popcorn>
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Offline General Battuta

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You are seriously advocating that it should be a-okay for everyone to go around streaking 'because primitive tribes in africa do it'? Oh wait no, because it's illogical:lol:
You obviously did not understand my point. Think off a logical answer as to my question then. Why everyone shouldn't be allowed to go around naked? What is immoral about being nude around other people? Also, answering along the lines "It's obvious, everyone knows they shouldn't." isn't an answer at all.

It's unhygienic and often either distracting or upsetting.

 

Offline The E

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Re: Bye bye 90% of the internet
<popcorn>

Oh for the love of kittens.

Warned for being stupid.
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
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Offline Apollo

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You are seriously advocating that it should be a-okay for everyone to go around streaking 'because primitive tribes in africa do it'? Oh wait no, because it's illogical:lol:
And the ' far east has a different problem altogether.', because walking around clothed is the biggest problem mankind is facing right now.  :lol:

I retract my previous statement. Do go on, this is comedy gold.
The nudity taboo makes sense because African tribes don't follow it?

Dude, you're being sarcastic to a mod. That's probably not the best idea you've ever had.
Or am I?
Prove it.
Your post really gave that impression.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Note that I only used homosexuality as an example of how eastern perceptions of sexuality are different from ours. Sexuality in general is natural, so I don't see any "naturalistic" justifications for prohibiting nudity. Disgust at nudity is a result of 2000 years of repressing sexuality (you don't see that in tribes which go around naked all the time). Because of that, nudity and sexuality are very emotionally loaded and produce extreme reactions. In ancient times (before Christianity), nudity was much less of a deal.

You know, even if that historical assessment was correct (which I doubt), that would probably rank as one of the not-so-bad developments coming out of Christianity. You want people go around you naked? Hell I know I don't. I really like the fact we tabooed that behavior, for all the higyenic, aesthetic, olfactive, etc. reasons. You want to behave like an amazonian? Go ahead and behave so there. Ok?

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Please elaborate on the nihilism part, I'm not sure what you meant by that.

Liberalism has in itself the seed of chaos, for its call for tolerance, equality and cultural understanding (through relativism and so on) are nice concepts but if taken to the extreme they are always self-defeating. So, in this sense, many liberal developments in our culture have created a conservative culture that fights it, because it fears that liberalism will end with the culture we have labored for so long in building, and in exchange it only promises "freedom". This is a very common theme in thoughts by Strauss, the neo-conservatives, etc., etc.

It was even acknowledged and foretold by Nietzsche.

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I'm not advocating ditching nudity taboo because I like to look at nude people, but because it's illogical. A pretty girl has just as much right to undress as an ugly old man. You might not want to look at the latter, but aesthetics have little to do with morality. There's nothing immoral about nudity, of any age, gender or body type.

What has logic to do with any of this? Logic is the rules we use getting from one proposition to other propositions. Declaring nudity a taboo is as logical as anything else, given you accept the premises from which this conclusion was derived. To me, the mere objections I have against "nudity" in general are perfectly reasonable premises I have, and using Logic, I can conclude that it is a good idea to taboo nudity. Period.

 

Offline Apollo

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Note that I only used homosexuality as an example of how eastern perceptions of sexuality are different from ours. Sexuality in general is natural, so I don't see any "naturalistic" justifications for prohibiting nudity. Disgust at nudity is a result of 2000 years of repressing sexuality (you don't see that in tribes which go around naked all the time). Because of that, nudity and sexuality are very emotionally loaded and produce extreme reactions. In ancient times (before Christianity), nudity was much less of a deal.

You know, even if that historical assessment was correct (which I doubt), that would probably rank as one of the not-so-bad developments coming out of Christianity. You want people go around you naked? Hell I know I don't. I really like the fact we tabooed that behavior, for all the higyenic, aesthetic, olfactive, etc. reasons. You want to behave like an amazonian? Go ahead and behave so there. Ok?

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Please elaborate on the nihilism part, I'm not sure what you meant by that.

Liberalism has in itself the seed of chaos, for its call for tolerance, equality and cultural understanding (through relativism and so on) are nice concepts but if taken to the extreme they are always self-defeating. So, in this sense, many liberal developments in our culture have created a conservative culture that fights it, because it fears that liberalism will end with the culture we have labored for so long in building, and in exchange it only promises "freedom". This is a very common theme in thoughts by Strauss, the neo-conservatives, etc., etc.

It was even acknowledged and foretold by Nietzsche.

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I'm not advocating ditching nudity taboo because I like to look at nude people, but because it's illogical. A pretty girl has just as much right to undress as an ugly old man. You might not want to look at the latter, but aesthetics have little to do with morality. There's nothing immoral about nudity, of any age, gender or body type.

What has logic to do with any of this? Logic is the rules we use getting from one proposition to other propositions. Declaring nudity a taboo is as logical as anything else, given you accept the premises from which this conclusion was derived. To me, the mere objections I have against "nudity" in general are perfectly reasonable premises I have, and using Logic, I can conclude that it is a good idea to taboo nudity. Period.
I think that allowing unrestricted public nudity is a bad idea, but I don't support the ridiculous phobia of sex that our cultures have often endorsed.
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Offline 666maslo666

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I can think of hygienic reasons to taboo public nudity/sex, and thats pretty weak reason considering the strength of the taboo. So yes, I have to conclude it is pretty much an ad-hoc tradition, nothing more. We wouldnt be any worse off if public nudity and sex was common and accepted. Its not like nudists or those tribes with no shame suffer because of it in any way.
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Offline General Battuta

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I can think of hygienic reasons to taboo public nudity/sex, and thats pretty weak reason considering the strength of the taboo. So yes, I have to conclude it is pretty much an ad-hoc tradition, nothing more. We wouldnt be any worse off if public nudity and sex was common and accepted. Its not like nudists or those tribes with no shame suffer because of it in any way.

Boy you don't spend a lot of time on NYC subways do you

 

Offline 666maslo666

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I think it is easy to imagine how the taboo about nudity and sex developed. Clothes in the past were a sign of certain wealth, so it was dishonorable to go nude because it implied poverty. Sex led to unwanted pregnancies/infanticide and STDs, which were much bigger deal in the absence of contraception, abortion and modern medicine. Also people got married very soon so there wasnt even time for them to have sex unless they were cheaters.

None of this really applies today.
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Offline General Battuta

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I think it is easy to imagine how the taboo about nudity and sex developed. Clothes in the past were a sign of certain wealth, so it was dishonorable to go nude because it implied poverty. Sex led to unwanted pregnancies/infanticide and STDs, which were much bigger deal in the absence of contraception, abortion and modern medicine. Also people got married very soon so there wasnt even time for them to have sex unless they were cheaters.

None of this really applies today.

This is what we in the evolutionary sciences call 'making up fairy tales'. It may be easy to imagine, but it is not an empirically based or testable hypothesis.

And BOY you do not spend a lot of time on NYC subways do you

 

Offline Apollo

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What's wrong with NYC subways?
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Offline deathfun

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What's wrong with NYC subways?

There's a nut in every car
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Offline General Battuta

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What's wrong with NYC subways?

If people were allowed to ride nude and have sex on them, EVERYTHING

 

Offline Apollo

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What's wrong with NYC subways?

If people were allowed to ride nude and have sex on them, EVERYTHING
As in we'd have a bunch of naked fat people having sex with each other? :shaking:
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What's wrong with NYC subways?

If people were allowed to ride nude and have sex on them, EVERYTHING
As in we'd have a bunch of naked fat people having sex with each other? :shaking:
Doesn't matter, had sex. Perhaps rather than a taboo, nudity should merely be unfashionable. That way, people are uncool for being naked, but not thrown in jail. The taboo really is unnecessary. I'd rather a taboo on smokers poisoning my air than on people airing out their junk.


Back on topic though, wouldn't passing this bill make pretty much everyone a criminal? Maybe this is a way to gain access people's computers, to stifle piracy and enforce copyright.