[Spoon]

You guys nuked Japan, then made it into your ***** ally.
Do the same to north korea!

[BrotherBryon]

I don't know of any sane way to resolve this, but there has to be some means of putting that whackjob administration out of the world's collective misery.

It's tricky to find an avenue that does not lead to massive suffering on the part of North Korea's (and probably South Korea's) people.

Yeah, that's the ***** of it.  Any strike at the leadership probably dooms the North Korean populace to even more suffering than they're already undergoing, and Seoul has so much weaponry pointed its way that they'd be royally screwed too.  And that pretty much leaves us stuck.

Things must fall apart before they can be put back together.

True but I think the world would prefer a self contained implosion than the region altering explosion this could develop into. There are several schools of thought as to what needs to be done.

A. Ignore it as the saber rattling that it is and hope that North Korea will grow up a little bit when they don't get the attention they are seeking.

B. Take it seriously and prepare to swat the annoyance once and for all.

C. Accept that Kim Jong Un has painted himself into a corner and must increase his rhetoric in order to stay in control of his own country by offering him a way out that saves face.

[deathfun]

You guys nuked Japan, then made it into your ***** ally.
Do the same to north korea!

Those were significantly less potent nuclear weapons
The ones these days would wipe N.K. off the map

[An4ximandros]

There's tactical nukes nowadays. Obligatory -> Tactical nuke incoming!

[achtung]

I don't know of any sane way to resolve this, but there has to be some means of putting that whackjob administration out of the world's collective misery.

It's tricky to find an avenue that does not lead to massive suffering on the part of North Korea's (and probably South Korea's) people.

Yeah, that's the ***** of it.  Any strike at the leadership probably dooms the North Korean populace to even more suffering than they're already undergoing, and Seoul has so much weaponry pointed its way that they'd be royally screwed too.  And that pretty much leaves us stuck.

Things must fall apart before they can be put back together.

Demonstrably incorrect - smooth regime changes have been pulled off before and we've been rewarded with enduring allies. And sticking to this line of thought, that 'things must fall apart', leads to inadequate post-collapse planning and debacles like Iraq.

The Korean situation is a bit more tense than the kind of thing I think you're referring to.

[yuezhi]

nuke 'em!

from orbit, they currently lack anti satellite weapons!

[Nuke]

nuke 'em!

from orbit, they currently lack anti satellite weapons!

nah just send in some sk kids with laser designators.

[General Battuta]

I don't know of any sane way to resolve this, but there has to be some means of putting that whackjob administration out of the world's collective misery.

It's tricky to find an avenue that does not lead to massive suffering on the part of North Korea's (and probably South Korea's) people.

Yeah, that's the ***** of it.  Any strike at the leadership probably dooms the North Korean populace to even more suffering than they're already undergoing, and Seoul has so much weaponry pointed its way that they'd be royally screwed too.  And that pretty much leaves us stuck.

Things must fall apart before they can be put back together.

Demonstrably incorrect - smooth regime changes have been pulled off before and we've been rewarded with enduring allies. And sticking to this line of thought, that 'things must fall apart', leads to inadequate post-collapse planning and debacles like Iraq.

The Korean situation is a bit more tense than the kind of thing I think you're referring to.

Not in the eyes of the people who matter. The US has been rather nervously checking out its readiness to provide support for a post-collapse North Korea in the past while.

[achtung]

North Korea seen moving mid-range missile to east coast: reports

[BritishShivans]

I don't know why you guys are even panicking. Before I thought it was pretty stupid how people kept going 'OHNOTHEYGUNNANUKEUS' even though it was quite clearly internal propaganda by NK meant for the consumption of it's 'citizens', not outsiders. I'm not gonna lie about this though - I think NK is cracking somewhat inside. They're not stupid - they managed to last this long, so it's clear they're competent in regards to staying in power, otherwise they would've collapsed by now.

But I think the other people in charge doubt Kim-Jong un: This is unusually aggressive for NK, while they'd make the usual threats, they wouldn't actually mobilize. I'd say this is some kind of test by NK's military to see whether Kim responds to things the way they want or not.

Like I said, they're not stupid. They've managed to uphold a ****ty regime this far.

[Nuke]

panicking, no. wanking, uhmm

[achtung]

I'm not panicking, I just find it interesting.

#BREAKING: North Korea tells all South Koreans to quit Kaesong joint industrial complex by April 10: Yonhap

[Black Wolf]

South Korea is denying that last one about the industrial plant, FYI - looks like one of the media outlets reported it without citing sources, and it got garbled a bit along the way. Apparently they wanted a list of people due to return by April 10 is all.

[yuezhi]

Y THERE NO STARCRAFT DERAIL YET?

[Nuke]

i tried but it didnt work.

[SpardaSon21]

Should have mentioned South Korea's psychic commandos then.

[Luis Dias]

East Germany wasn't ruled by psychopathic sadistic criminals, they had a mandate from Moscow which weren't also psychopaths (at least since Stalin died), and when Gorbachev went into power, the transition became inevitable and "smooth". The events of 89 were allowed by the commies because they saw they were inflicting unnecessary suffering to their population, and there was a better way. IOW, they were human people trying their best.

Can we say anything remotely ... ahhh... no. No we can't. Kim's family is composed of fanatics that do not believe in their leadership themselves, unless they maintain their population under extreme oppression and psychological tension. They believe (rightly) that if the pop actually learned the truth about the world and how this family has kept them suffering so much for so long, they would be butchered. So they escalate the oppression and the psychological tension.

Will they actually start a war just to keep the illusion and the power, or to save face or something? That's probably what is freaking out some minds.

[Phantom Hoover]

Can I just get this straight: the Chinese hate North Korea too by now, right?

[Luis Dias]

They should.

[karajorma]

China don't want the inevitable refugees any war would cause. Nor do they want a state sympathetic to the US right on their borders. But in no way do they seem to actually like NK.