[JCDNWarrior]

"The police told all the residents to stay put and not leave the house. Looking out of our window we saw masses of SWAT teams and police agents scouring all the backyards, bushes and streets.  There are helicopters. The police seem to have isolated one particular area. The police were looking and talking to the suspect through a megaphone – this is where we are right now," Gliel said.

"Everybody is tense. No one can leave their house, all the businesses around here are closed."

Source from RT, also reported by money.msn.com and other sources.

It doesn't sound like it was 'advised', but rather forced or at least intimidated into it. I don't mean to say it IS martial law, i'm just curious to find out what's up in that regard out of interest.

What would you (anyone) call lockdown and what a martial law scenario, though?

[headdie]

"The police told all the residents to stay put and not leave the house. Looking out of our window we saw masses of SWAT teams and police agents scouring all the backyards, bushes and streets.  There are helicopters. The police seem to have isolated one particular area. The police were looking and talking to the suspect through a megaphone – this is where we are right now," Gliel said.

"Everybody is tense. No one can leave their house, all the businesses around here are closed."

Source from RT, also reported by money.msn.com and other sources.

It doesn't sound like it was 'advised', but rather forced or at least intimidated into it. I don't mean to say it IS martial law, i'm just curious to find out what's up in that regard out of interest.

What would you (anyone) call lockdown and what a martial law scenario, though?

to my understanding martial law often involves military enforcement of the situation.  as it stands this is more along the lines of stay inside, stay safe both from the risk of injury and from the risk of being harassed by the police

[Suongadon]

What would you (anyone) call lockdown and what a martial law scenario, though?

Lockdown: The police tell you to sit the **** down in your house and wait till they find the guy. Going outside may result in being held at gunpoint in the middle of the street while a few robots are summoned to cut off your clothes. (happened to some ~60yr old guy today, cause he had a tv remote/garage opener/cellphone in his hand/pocket and a coat, and they thought the remote could be a dead-mans switch for an explosive vest - which the police think the kid still at-large has)

Martial law: The coax gunner on that tank in the intersection can use you as target practice if you are outside at the wrong time.

[Dragon]

Martial law: The coax gunner on that tank in the intersection can use you as target practice if you are outside at the wrong time.

Not exactly. It's Martial Law afterall. This only means the military gets to do law enforcement duties using their equipment and men. That said, other measures are often taken along with martial law (such as curfews, suspension of civil rights, that sort of thing) that can result in a situation you described, and in fact did, in a particularly nasty way, just before the fall of communism in Poland.
That said, martial law can also be used without those measures, for instance if you need to take out a guy who stole a tank from a military base. Police isn't equipped with AT weapons, and the military can't be sent in under normal circumstances (this didn't actually happen, because the tank got stuck, but it was close).

[Suongadon]

Ok ok ok. So I should have said 'the above, except instead of robots...' 

Also: super pertinent possibly actually real news thing: https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/325376035979927552


and edit to quote the edit:

. Police isn't equipped with AT weapons...

Yours might not be. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if US metropolitan SWAT armories had a few AT rockets on hand, because: paranoia.


E²: Possibly watch this guy get shot on live tv. He's hiding in a boat.

[watsisname]

Sounds like it's the endgame.  Jeez, I hope they can take him without any more calamities.

[Nuke]

they got him in custody

[Suongadon]

ffffffffffffff....

figures. Step away for a quickie after hours of being hopelessly glued to my F5 key and its over.

[Frak_Tastic]

Glad they finally got this asshat.  I was tired of having to pack extra mags and wear my friggen armor vest to work everyday (was only 15 miles away).  Still, you'd think if these two twits had any brains at all they would have walked away from the bombing and disappeared instead of staying local.

As far as the marshal law discussion, I'd rather get potential targets and hostages out of the way while doing this kind of search.  Sucks trampling people's rights, but you have to search every inch to find these scumbags.  And there is a way to do it respectfully.

My only regret for this whole thing was that I kept waiting for Gov. Patrick to say "Yeah, and we're not gonna fall for a banana in the tailpipe." for this whole incident.

I still want to curb stomp Dzhokar 'The Walking Dead' style tho.

[Nuke]

and let the waterboarding begin...

[General Battuta]

****ING LOOP TESSIE ALL NIGHT

[NGTM-1R]

Still, you'd think if these two twits had any brains at all they would have walked away from the bombing and disappeared instead of staying local.

If they had done in this in the seventies or eighties, they would have effectively disappeared despite staying local. People managed that. Once their picture was out it probably didn't matter how far they ran, and that was inevitable.

The smartphone and the proliferation of surveillance cameras for cheap has made this kind of thing considerably more painful for the doer.

[Thaeris]

Righto,

Let's do the time warp, again.

[General Battuta]

Righto,

Let's do the time warp, again.

Yes dear, this was a false flag operation

[Nemesis6]

I like how RussiaToday has already jumped on the conspiracy train. They stopped pretending to be credible a long time ago.

[Thaeris]

I thought some elements of the latter article were interesting, but the FBI does not make itself a steady defence in this matter:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[General Battuta]

Is the point here that the FBI is doing a really good job with its stings, or that it should be pursuing them even more aggressively?

[Phantom Hoover]

Either have the courage to commit to your conspiracy theories or stop posting them; don't try to weasel around it by presenting it all as "oh well I found this article, it makes a number of interesting points, what do you think?"

[Polpolion]

Is the point here that the FBI is doing a really good job with its stings, or that it should be pursuing them even more aggressively?

I think the point is that fbi stings and undercover operations manage to persuade some people to terrorism that wouldn't have without fbi involvement.

[General Battuta]

That is indeed the point, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Entrapment is a well-defined and pretty thoroughly tested legal condition. If you are willing to enter the detonation code for a bomb with intent to kill, you're well past the point where an entrapment defense will stand. It's not like you just bought some weed for an undercover cop, you agreed to kill people with extensive premeditation.

I would definitely have qualms in the case of the mentally ill, or if you're dealing with a lesser offense like minor drug purchases or Prohibition-era **** (when the government was much, much more actively hostile to its citizenry than today).