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Offline IronBeer

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And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/us-agency-baffled-by-modern-technology-destroys-mice-to-get-rid-of-viruses/

Short version: A US agency gets a malware infection on 6 of its computers, responds by physically destroying $170k worth of computer equipment, and spending $1.4 million for "security" contractors to tell them to do this. Total cost to taxpayers? $2.7million. Said agency happens to be the Economic Development Administration, and given how they handled this malware business, it should really come as no surprise that the US economy is still a bit sluggish.
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yes, some bureaucrats somewhere doing something stupid is certainly a reason for the US economy failing.
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yes, some bureaucrats somewhere doing something stupid is certainly a reason for the US economy failing.

He said it because it was the Economic Development Administration.

 

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yeah I think wasteful bureaucracy is a trait shared by all parts of the world. It's just one of the evolutionary traits required of bureaucrats in order to survive in their natural habitat.
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yes.

And it's somewhat irrelevant. I get that he was making a quip about an agency whose job it is to administrate federal grants to ailing communities failing at operating economically.

This, however, has little if anything to do with the actual reasons why the US economy isn't performing to spec right now.
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yes, some bureaucrats somewhere doing something stupid is certainly a reason for the US economy failing.
Not sure if serious (I've never been good at gleaning intent from text), so I'll respond on multiple prongs.

a) The title is meant to be a joke.
b) Governmental waste certainly doesn't help, but these guys are small fry.
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Offline Lorric

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
He's serious.

 

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
I'm sorry, with all the Nakura going on right now, it's really hard to decide between jokes and srs bsnss
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
I'm sorry, with all the Nakura going on right now, it's really hard to decide between jokes and srs bsnss

Nakura? Nakura's been quiet lately, hasn't he? Or is he now in IRC or something?

I'm asking because I thought I'd calmed him down.

 

Offline Al-Rik

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Yes, some bureaucrats somewhere doing something stupid is certainly a reason for the US economy failing.

He said it because it was the Economic Development Administration.

Seems to be an international problem ;)
the same happened  2010 in Germany, 170 PCs trashed because the Conficker worm - almost 200 000 €uro damage.
http://www.t-online.de/computer/hardware/id_63181732/ministerium-wirft-170-nagelneue-computer-weg.html

Well, at least some guy working in sales have made a good business by selling new hardware.

 
Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
IMO The point of this thread is that the reason the economy is failing is because of people like this, spending huge bucks for the easy solution instead of paying way less for the smarter (yet slightly more inconveniant and slightly less ignorant) solution.

I agree.
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
don't you all know that economy can't work is money is not being spent

spending more money helps the economy, they're just doing their job



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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
don't you all know that economy can't work is money is not being spent

spending more money helps the economy, they're just doing their job
Can't spend money on profitable things if you sink it all into unprofitable ones.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
don't you all know that economy can't work is money is not being spent

spending more money helps the economy, they're just doing their job
Can't spend money on profitable things if you sink it all into unprofitable ones.

It's not like the money just evaporates, someone else just has it.

 

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
I'm sorry, with all the Nakura going on right now, it's really hard to decide between jokes and srs bsnss
If you're in doubt, go for "a joke". If it's a joke, you're right, if it isn't, then you've just insulted a laughable claim. It's a win-win situation, much better than the other way around. :) For me, the title is a joke, a comical exaggeration.

Obviously, the point is that US is in recession because the guys at EDA are bloody idiots. They only stopped destroying their hardware because they ran out of money. They reacted to a common virus by destroying mice and monitors, none of which could possibly be altered by an infection. Didn't it occur to them just to rip out the HDs, destroy that and reuse or sell the rest off? I know it might have been a national security breech, but this is a completely inadequate response, showing complete inability to comprehend the computers they work on. Also, I could trash a bunch of computers for a lot less than 2 million $, so I imagine they overpaid for this service somewhat.

 
Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
I'm sorry, with all the Nakura going on right now, it's really hard to decide between jokes and srs bsnss
If you're in doubt, go for "a joke". If it's a joke, you're right, if it isn't, then you've just insulted a laughable claim. It's a win-win situation, much better than the other way around. :) For me, the title is a joke, a comical exaggeration.

Obviously, the point is that US is in recession because the guys at EDA are bloody idiots. They only stopped destroying their hardware because they ran out of money. They reacted to a common virus by destroying mice and monitors, none of which could possibly be altered by an infection. Didn't it occur to them just to rip out the HDs, destroy that and reuse or sell the rest off? I know it might have been a national security breech, but this is a completely inadequate response, showing complete inability to comprehend the computers they work on. Also, I could trash a bunch of computers for a lot less than 2 million $, so I imagine they overpaid for this service somewhat.

I think they got someone to carry them off to a det site, and then nuke them.

 

Offline Dragon

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
You could probably get a nuke for less than that, so half of those 2 000 000$ was probably bribes/embezzlement. :)

 

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Obviously, the point is that US is in recession because the guys at EDA are bloody idiots. They only stopped destroying their hardware because they ran out of money. They reacted to a common virus by destroying mice and monitors, none of which could possibly be altered by an infection. Didn't it occur to them just to rip out the HDs, destroy that and reuse or sell the rest off? I know it might have been a national security breech, but this is a completely inadequate response, showing complete inability to comprehend the computers they work on. Also, I could trash a bunch of computers for a lot less than 2 million $, so I imagine they overpaid for this service somewhat.

You know how I know you've never worked for government?

This post.  This post right here.

It doesn't make it right.  It doesn't make it sensible.  It doesn't make it even acceptable.  It's just that, if there's government involvement, there will be policy.  If there's policy, there will be bureaucracy.  If there's policy and bureaucracy, there will be rigidity that means even the most common sense measures will be ignored - not out of malice, but because rocking the boat is punished in government - and therefore whatever action the rigid, policy-driven bureaucracy takes will make not one whit of sense to any outside observer and will take twice as long and cost twice as much just because it does.  I'm sure there were no bribes involved, this is just how much it ended up costing.

The worst part?  There are a lot of people in that bureaucracy who are even more frustrated about this state of affairs than you are, but have no power to do anything about it.
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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
Ok, let's all hold on for a sec here. I posted this story NOT because I wanted to implicitly indict all US Federal bureaucracies nor imply their responsibility for economic prosperity.

THE THREAD TITLE IS TONGUE-IN-CHEEK. Of course I recognize that the economy is a very complicated thing and that the US' current slump is due to a confluence of many factors. To be clear, I phrased the title the way I did because there's a certain measure of humor in an agency for economic stimulation responding to a pedestrian issue via moronic and wasteful overreaction.

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Offline Mika

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Re: And people wonder why the US is still in a recession...
This is a very interesting topic that should open eyes on some level how the government systems work.

Being a government official (well sort of) on the technical side, MP-Ryan's comment on the first page is dead on. However, there's something I'd like to add: the bureaucracy has weird rules, some of these rules (I'd love to say most of them) are typically very much out of date, but you'll still have to obey them. The legalization is very slow to change in these parts.

What it comes to government officials spending on trips, the critique is occasionally right, occasionally it is dead wrong. I do recall one MP of ours causing a public outcry due to him buying a bottle of wine on the government's credit card in a restaurant evening. That's the dead wrong part - doing that isn't forbidden by any law and the cost was very minor (compared to stuff even I have done). However, I do recall also our former president flying to Africa and filling a travel claim worth of millions of euros (she had a private jet), which on the other hand, I think, was unjustified and should have caused some consequences but was shushed in the media. I can't comment Obama's 100 M$ claim, but if you are the president of US, you certainly are not traveling alone and those salaries and the security has to be organized somehow.

Rest assured, we are frustrated by the government bureaucracy since it really does hinder doing stuff - and it does that on a DAILY basis. From what I have heard in the 1980s, it was so bad that there was a shadow procurement organization in our working place since the official channel could really not get anything done in time (technical side is much more time critical than other parts of the governments). Currently, I'm mostly annoyed by the competition laws that require us to make a public competition race of certain things when they exceed a certain amount of money. Well, I can sort of understand that, but the problem is, we (on the technical side) are usually much better informed of the current technological status of things than the guys running the offer competition who are looking for the price.

So what usually happens is that we also have to review the offers, work for three months to see that all participants have understood correctly what we want, and then evaluate the results, usually to find out that the company we recommended first was selected, but with additional cost of our three month salary that tends to negate all the advantages of the offer competition. Luckily there are ways to bypass this, but not always - and working here makes you very good at writing documents that explain why the official way was bypassed. However, I have always taken care of those documents existing, so that all decisions can still be reviewed. From other government branches, I have heard that occasionally you'll come across with an offer that is much cheaper than the rest, and it is pretty much guaranteed that the guys who left that aren't even planning to do all that they were asked to do.

And what it comes to private companies being more efficient, I partially disagree. All my colleagues who have left to private side say that their jobs became EASIER, and they get paid more - I'm not saying that this happens on all government branches, but at least on ours. When reviewing the labor hours of private companies to ours, we usually find our hours are about half of what private companies spent. Unfortunately, we also have to support quite a bit of research infrastructure, so that the hour advantage does not transfer to us being cheaper. But on hourly basis, we actually are much more efficient.
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