[Zeronet]

You spelt Captain wrong

[CP5670]

Nope, ">>" is the shift-right operator, f00!!

Yes, but it also means much greater than or equal to.

Well, look harder!!

I tried www.culture.com but that had nothing to do with it; I don't even know where this "Culture" is from.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by CP5670
Yes, but it also means much greater than or equal to.

As I said, for math f00s it does. For real people, it's the shift-right operator.

Originally posted by CP5670
I tried www.culture.com but that had nothing to do with it; I don't even know where this "Culture" is from.

Tsk, tsk.

[CP5670]

As I said, for math f00s it does. For real people, it's the shift-right operator.

You never said anything about "math f00s" and "real people" earlier though.

Tsk, tsk.

Most of the people in the world probably don't know either.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by CP5670
You never said anything about "math f00s" and "real people" earlier though.

It was implied.

Originally posted by CP5670
Most of the people in the world probably don't know either.

All the people that count do.

[Knight Templar]

damn this thread is still going?  

I tend to stop readiong threads after they get longer than 10 pages.... what are we talking bout' now?

[CP5670]

It was implied.

Well how am I supposed to know that?

All the people that count do.

But who decides who "counts" and who does not?

[Bobboau]

I do

and you don't

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Shrike
Who said anything about relationships?  Sex != relationship.

You religious people go on about how it's some holy act that has to be done under the holy veil of marriage.  Why?

Ever hear of this thing called family? You know, where a father and mother bring up their children together, etc etc?

I'd rather not touch on a possibly sensitive point with who knows how many people on this board, but I need to make a point:

How many of you who come from broken homes, whether from a divorce your parents had, or perhaps you simply never really knew who your father/mother was?

And of those of you who answered "Yes, I did" to the above question, how many had friends who came from non-broken families/households... and how often did you really envy them their relationship with their father/mother?

Do some historical research. Look into the great empires of the past - the Romans, Persians, Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. Look for a correlation between when those empires tossed the family concept, family values, out the window, bringing in the "have sex freely, for pleasure" concept, to the downfall of that empire. I think you'll be surprised what you discover.

CP, do a Google search for "Culture" in correlation to a "Iain M. Banks".

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by sandwich


Ever hear of this thing called family? You know, where a father and mother bring up their children together, etc etc?
 

My personal view on this is that Marriage in the traditional sense is old and should be tossed on the scrap heap. Yes, the family system worked well in the upbringing of childeren, that doesn't mean it's the only way of bringing up childeren and people should have the right to choose without raging theocrats chaining women to the kitchen sink, keeping them pregnant and making the father work.


Two parents need not Love each other to be good parents, they only need to love and cherish the child and to co-operate during his/her upbringing. They do not need to be tied to one another (financially and sexually), in fact doing so is the likely cause of the hostilities between them that result in broken homes.


It's amazing how many Ignorant conservatives use the term "family values" as an excuse to undermine womens rights and force people to conform to a dated and illogical regieme that sould have been scrapped years ago.


I'll say it now and I'll say it again.  Two concenting people (married or not) should have the right to have sex anytime they want. It's not a "sin", it's not "dirty", there's nothing special; about it. Sexual pleasure is nature's way of rewarding us for passing on our genes but since reliable contraception is widely available (despite the best efforts of a certain church), it can now be just a source of pleasure. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Bobboau]

I looked at this openly and came to the conclusion that humans are suposed to be rased in a famly were there parents set an example for how there childeren are suposed to behave, if the famly is damaged severly the culture in with this hapens will quickly disintigrate.
now sex I have determined serves to perposases
1) reproduction
2) forming of emotional bonds

the only problem with sex for fun is that someone might get pregnent, if that hapens there is going to be a screwed up person sooner or later

but none of my opinions should be mandated by law, that would force people to be parents when they don't want to be, for force them into roles they don't want, this will cause much more damage than just not having a parent would have

[Styxx]

Originally posted by sandwich
How many of you who come from broken homes, whether from a divorce your parents had, or perhaps you simply never really knew who your father/mother was?

And of those of you who answered "Yes, I did" to the above question, how many had friends who came from non-broken families/households... and how often did you really envy them their relationship with their father/mother?

My parents are divorced. I never envied any of my friends that came from "non-broken" homes, though, simply because they were in a worse situation than I was. They had their freedom restricted, irrational prohibitions imposed into them, and their parents worrying more about themselves than about the children. I, on the other hand, managed to coerce/blackmail any of my parents (specially my father) into giving me anything I wanted (that was inside their possibilities, of course) or allowing me to do anything I wanted. I had them both paying a lot more attention to me (and my brother) than most of my friends from "normal" families - my brother can attest to that.

Of course you'll say that I should never have done such a thing (blackmail my father) but that's your moral standpoint, and it's perfectly valid. My own view on the matter, though, is very simple: I didn't ask to be born, they did it without my consent, and now have to face the consequences. If they didn't want to spend the time and money a child requires, they shouldn't have had it - and for this I approve all methods, from simple contraceptives to abortion (and yes, I'd rather never be born than be born into a "family" that wouldn't have conditions to give me the things I wanted). Now, don't get offended by this - I think most christian principles are valid and good ones, since I was a christian for most of my life (another thing that was imposed into me while my parents were not divorced yet), but I value freedom of choice above all else.

I won't try to say that your viewpoint is wrong, I'm just saying that it's not the only one that's right. Now let's get this to the "Dating and Sex" thread, that's there for this reason alone.

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,8760.0.html

Originally posted by sandwich
CP, do a Google search for "Culture" in correlation to a "Iain M. Banks".

Damn you, spoiled my fun!!

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Bobboau


the only problem with sex for fun is that someone might get pregnent, if that hapens there is going to be a screwed up person sooner or later

 

Why do people never seem to grasp the fact that there is very reliable contraception ... and failing that there's the morning after pills.

[Kellan]

I have to agree with Top Gun on this one. Personally, I would rather live in a family in which I only have one parent than a family in which I don't get on with a parent. This kind of relationship is more common than an abusive one, but they should be considered too.

I have also found, as Styxx apparently did () that the children of divorcees get away with a lot more than children from a two-parent household. I don't think my friends who are children from "broken homes" were ever envious of me having 2 parents. I would only accept that people in general feel that way from a very large sample, which I don't think any of us have access to.

As for Styxx, he's certainly a cheeky bugger. Still, if your parents are going to ignore you to pursue their own happiness when they decided to create you, I don't think it's that objectionable to use them in turn to pursue your happiness if they're not going to help you.

[IceFire]

I have to agree with Top Gun on this one. Personally, I would rather live in a family in which I only have one parent than a family in which I don't get on with a parent. This kind of relationship is more common than an abusive one, but they should be considered too.

I may be the exception rather than the rule...but my parents are still married (and I think in no danger of divorce at all) and I get along with both of them (most of the time anyways, nobody gets along with anyone 100%) and I'd say thats pretty ideal.

So would you rather then live in a family where you get along with both parents together than one separated or both separated?

[Kellan]

Originally posted by IceFire
So would you rather then live in a family where you get along with both parents together than one separated or both separated?

Sure I'd prefer to get along 100% with both my parents, because (I suppose) you naturally want to surround yourself with as many people you like as possible. However, not having experienced single parent life (though my Dad isn't around much as he works late and travels) I can't comment on how good it is in my opinion though.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Kellan
As for Styxx, he's certainly a cheeky bugger.

Excuse my lack of knowledge on english slang, but what the heck is that supposed to mean?

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Styxx


Excuse my lack of knowledge on english slang, but what the heck is that supposed to mean?

It means you've got a lot of Chutzpa!

[Styxx]

Originally posted by sandwich
It means you've got a lot of Chutzpa!

Styxx's official answer: meh

Edit: and according to dictionary.com, it's "chutzpah".

[Kellan]

Originally posted by sandwich



It means you've got a lot of Chutzpa!

That's right.

It's a term of...errr, respect. Yeah, that's right.