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Offline CT27

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Rationale of the Earth Alliance
Why exactly did the EA begin the war with the GTVA (it's been years since I played the original Inferno, but IIRC as soon as the Sol Gate was finish the EA stormed through and begun to attack the GTVA)?  Does anyone have any thoughts on that?

 

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Perhaps they say the GTVA as a threat.
Imagine yourself as the EA: extremely paranoid, extremely militaristic, fresh off a brutal civil war that took decades and billions of lives. You finally achieve some sort of stability, and now these newcomers arrive? You fight.

Also, the GTVA did manage to send an expeditionary fleet, but the EA destroyed them, then started their attack.
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Maybe the Expedition force was with Vasudan ships? I think the Vasudans are still the enemy...

I think the EA and NTF share some similiraties in it. "Vasudans weaken the Terran race" or something like that.

Or the expedition fleet was "too" powerful and consists of warships that can maybe a threat. I think a nearly unarmed ship like a Science cruiser were a better choice. But i think the GTVA provoke an attack with their numerous presence near earth. If the new jump node was still near earth like in the ending cutscene... think about it. How would you react if an unknown fleet of battle ships show up right in front of your homeplanet?
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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
We plan to explore the reason behind the EA's aggressiveness towards the GTVA.

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because gamefun.

 

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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
I will admit maybe the GTVA shouldn't have sent in heavy warships to be a 'first contact' with the EA, but once the EA saw they were Terran ships shouldn't they have at least asked "What's going on?" rather than make war with the GTVA the first choice?

 

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because headz.

About the actual issue this does remind me of the mongols.
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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
"because headz"?

What is that supposed to mean and what does it have to do with the topic?

 

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Its a brainwashing propaganda short dating back to the great war, revealed only to a few select Terran pilots.
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"because headz"?

What is that supposed to mean and what does it have to do with the topic?
"headz" was the name of an outtake Silent Threat short video showing a Vasudan stocking Terran heads in his fridge.

In this context, this is just used as a shortcut to designate an anti-Vasudan motivation for the EA.
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It's not just an anti-Vasudan motivation, it's an anti-everything that's not EA motivation. In a system so ravaged by civil war, it's the only thing that worked for them.
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Offline CT27

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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
What would the EA have done with the Vasudan pilots who got trapped in Sol with the rest of the strike force that attacked the Lucifer?

 

Offline mr.WHO

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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
I will admit maybe the GTVA shouldn't have sent in heavy warships to be a 'first contact' with the EA, but once the EA saw they were Terran ships shouldn't they have at least asked "What's going on?" rather than make war with the GTVA the first choice?

Yeah, like this ended well for UEF in Blue Planet:
- GTVA ships jump into Sol
- UEF: Hi guys what's up?
- <lazooorrsss>


EA actualy did a very smart by "shoot first, ask questions when you have at least 3-4 system buffer zone between GTVA and Sol".
EA is actually UEF with balls, HUGE BALLS and lazors and railguns and dozens of destroyers and 20 km large super Juggernaut.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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None of which are remotely inspired by "reality" IMHO. BP is justified by its futuristic usage of ultra-complex forecasting of politics and "psychohistorical" projections they had which all indicated disaster would be in their way if they didn't strike first (thus basically saying to the viewer "Yeah we know this preemptive strike is absolutely inhuman and stupid, but TRUST US we know better"), but INFERNO never really justifies it rather than just being badass and cruel at it. It's campy and simple. I like it.

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
They're pissed somebody opened the door that was keeping the Shivans out.

(I've always wanted to see an interpretation of Earth as the paranoid guy with a gun in both hands, staring into the dark, convinced the rest of the universe is gone.)
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Offline mr.WHO

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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
Note that Alpha Centauri is just 4 ly from Sol, so I think that both sides tried some sub light communication with each other. GTVA constitution grants all power in human space to GTVA, while from EA point of view GTA should be under their control. I don't think that both sides would not appreciate it. It's like USA constitution would grand US power over Great Britain while GB still tread USA as it's province.


IMO EA would know at least about NTF uprising and might see GTVA as incompetent and weak, so in their view they actually might doing this to sake of human kind, not because they like war. (if it's accurate in both old and new Inferno Vasudans tried to stay away from conflict and EA tried not to provoke Zods).

Additionally Earth/Sol saw civil war after node collapse and it was core colonies (so they supose to be most loyal) who opened fire first. No suprise that they see rest of GTA outside of Sol as very big thread to their existence and GTVA constitution doesn't help it.

IMO EA is UEF from BP with Tevs mentality from from BP2 and very big sticks to use that mentality :)


There is one problem - EA must be aware of 80 Shivan Juggernauts so it's still stupid to wage war with GTVA, but maybe they are confident that Icanus + regular fleet would be enough to deal with them (again stugid assumption as Collossu was so epic cluste**** that it made through 4 LY distance for sure).
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Don't forget, if you put the Icanus against a Sathanas, it'd wipe the floor with it without much effort. Considering the power seen in Inferno, anti-juggernaut torpedoes and such, and 80-Sathanas fleet suddenly looks much less threatening.

 

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Of course, the Shivans always get bigger.
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Re: Rationale of the Earth Alliance
There is one problem - EA must be aware of 80 Shivan Juggernauts so it's still stupid to wage war with GTVA, but maybe they are confident that Icanus + regular fleet would be enough to deal with them (again stugid assumption as Collossu was so epic cluste**** that it made through 4 LY distance for sure).
The plan was more to not deal with the Shivans if possible, but it depended on what the Shivans were capable at throwing at the EA.
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Let's just say Earth has something else other than the Icanus that can hold those Sathanas back a bit, and is also a problem for the GTVA assault

Don't forget, if you put the Icanus against a Sathanas, it'd wipe the floor with it without much effort. Considering the power seen in Inferno, anti-juggernaut torpedoes and such, and 80-Sathanas fleet suddenly looks much less threatening.
Well the Nemesis can take a Sathanas on its own as long as its not directly in front of it.