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People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Something else i was curious was something i had a hard time finding on the internet recently. People who took cruise control to an undesired level of stupidity, those who thought it would drive their car. It will drive your car indeed, but without breaking and steering of course. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Heard about it happening to an RV driver, back when it was a very new tech. He thought that cruise control is an "autopilot", got out of his seat to make coffee and ended up in a ditch shortly after. :) Though to be fair, it works much like autopilot in most planes... Except that in the air, you can fly straight in direction of your target and pretty much expect to get where you want.

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Heard about it happening to an RV driver, back when it was a very new tech. He thought that cruise control is an "autopilot", got out of his seat to make coffee and ended up in a ditch shortly after. :) Though to be fair, it works much like autopilot in most planes... Except that in the air, you can fly straight in direction of your target and pretty much expect to get where you want.

I suppose it sort of works like the autopilot in a plane, except that the autopilot in a plane is usually connected to most of the control surfaces on the plane in addition to throttle, while cruise control on a car is only connected to the throttle (and brakes in some very modern cars).  The tech is developing, though.  A few cars on the market can already park themselves, and of course Google's working on fully autonomous cars.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
A few cars on the market can already park themselves, and of course Google's working on fully autonomous cars.

DARPA has had this autonomous car competition going on for years, now.

There are many different ways to tackle this problem (in terms of sensing and algorithms), some better than others. I personally favor a fuzzy-logic based system for speed and position control, and of course a ruling system in conjunction to handle obstacle avoidance and navigation.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
I suppose it sort of works like the autopilot in a plane, except that the autopilot in a plane is usually connected to most of the control surfaces on the plane in addition to throttle, while cruise control on a car is only connected to the throttle (and brakes in some very modern cars).  The tech is developing, though.  A few cars on the market can already park themselves, and of course Google's working on fully autonomous cars.
Well, since in a modern car, the steering "defaults" to going straight, so in essence, it works like an airplane autopilot. Even in a Viper, it'll just keep you going straight and level, control surfaces link is just so that it can set trims. Super Hornet has a more advanced autopilot (it can fly steerpoints and even land itself on a carrier, though not on a runway, oddly), but it's a latest-generation naval fighter. Latest airliner and business jet models probably also have this kind of autopilot, but in the vast majority of planes, holding course/altitude (or both at the same time) is everything it can do.

Perhaps we'll get an automatic car someday, but I'm skeptical. The computers usually are the first thing to break down. As long as it causes it to show a stupid fuel consumption figure (due to the car running on LPG, which usually drives the performance adjuster crazy), there's no problem. If it causes the computer-controlled brakes to stop working while cruising on a highway, well, that's a bit worse. Also, GPS navigation often has accuracy problems. For example, on the German-Polish border there's a river. Once upon a time, there was a bridge on it, near the border crossing. The thing is, there isn't now, replaced by a guy with a dinghy. Well, huge trucks used to line up in there, because GPS insisted the bridge (gone since 20 or so years!) still stands. If the thing was actually driving, it'd probably drive straight into the river. I'd rather rely on my own common sense, leaving GPS to plot a rough course and show a map.

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
It happened years ago as well. Some guy thought that the so called 'automatic driving' is that sort of thing. He decided to leave the driver's seat and go to the back of the van to make coffee. The result is quite predictable. He didn't get killed at least.

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
The main thing for self driving cars for me is two items. The first being gps guidance, i used a gps for a long time up here to use as a speedometer since i drove some vehicles where i had to fix a speed sensor or speed cable later on. The gps would constantly say i'm driving through farm fields, rivers, people's property. Gps navigation would be a mistake for self driving cars, i'd expect those to crash in short time (perhaps they would be equipped with better gps, i still wouldn't want to chance it; manual control for me). The last item is software bugs in the navigation software. We all know about the toyota uncontrollable acceleration problem (even though this only has partly to do with a car driving itself) that the company was trying to sweep under the rug (that in the end they didn't fix (i'm not buying toyota for sure...mr. wozniak found the malfunction, tested it out, and was able to reproduce it)).

I don't like the idea of self driving cars as much as i don't like idiots on the road. However these are both problems that are not easy to solve.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Seriously? No one bothered to just look up the story on Snopes?


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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Is that the one on the Odra river that didn't exist since the '90s? :)
Besides, just because it's on Snopes doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere. I find that likely, actually, that at least one tech-illiterate would make such a mistake somewhere in the world. World is big, cars are numerous, so are idiots who don't read the manual. Probably not anyone particularly notable or in any way interesting, though.

 

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Is that the one on the Odra river that didn't exist since the '90s? :)
Besides, just because it's on Snopes doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere. I find that likely, actually, that at least one tech-illiterate would make such a mistake somewhere in the world. World is big, cars are numerous, so are idiots who don't read the manual. Probably not anyone particularly notable or in any way interesting, though.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
I suppose it sort of works like the autopilot in a plane, except that the autopilot in a plane is usually connected to most of the control surfaces on the plane in addition to throttle, while cruise control on a car is only connected to the throttle (and brakes in some very modern cars).  The tech is developing, though.  A few cars on the market can already park themselves, and of course Google's working on fully autonomous cars.
Well, since in a modern car, the steering "defaults" to going straight, so in essence, it works like an airplane autopilot. Even in a Viper, it'll just keep you going straight and level, control surfaces link is just so that it can set trims. Super Hornet has a more advanced autopilot (it can fly steerpoints and even land itself on a carrier, though not on a runway, oddly), but it's a latest-generation naval fighter. Latest airliner and business jet models probably also have this kind of autopilot, but in the vast majority of planes, holding course/altitude (or both at the same time) is everything it can do.

Erm, what?  I'm not sure I understand.  In essence, that's exactly what all autopilot systems (doesn't matter what type of vehicle) do.  The only way it varies is how the autopilot understands which heading to hold.  If you think most airplane autopilots are limited to holding only the current course and altitude (i.e. wing-levelers), I think you're mistaken.  The vast majority of autopilots in commercial planes nowadays can fly waypoints and use ILS just fine.  IIRC, it's even common enough to equip a cheap Cessna 172 with an autopilot that can fly a GPS course.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Is that the one on the Odra river that didn't exist since the '90s? :)
Besides, just because it's on Snopes doesn't mean it didn't happen somewhere. I find that likely, actually, that at least one tech-illiterate would make such a mistake somewhere in the world. World is big, cars are numerous, so are idiots who don't read the manual. Probably not anyone particularly notable or in any way interesting, though.

it does not surprise me in the least that you will suspend critical thinking on any story that lets you relish how much smarter you are than the common man
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Tell me, what sounds so unlikely about this story? There isn't any element there that makes me go "no way in hell that could have happened". People routinely do dumber things, why couldn't a first-time camper owner set cruise control and get up from the driver's seat? It's not suspending critical thinking, it's just considering the chances. Such an even wouldn't even be newsworthy for anything but the local paper (just another RV in the ditch, nothing really exciting about this one), so the only way the story could spread is by word of mouth (remember, most examples from from before the Age of Internet).

 
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(it can fly steerpoints and even land itself on a carrier, though not on a runway, oddly),

Modern jetliners use ILS - Intelligent landing system - forlanding on runways, but it has to be installed in the runway's ATC first. I am gesussing that carriers have ILS systems which are compatible with hornets, but most runways do not.

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Well, since in a modern car, the steering "defaults" to going straight

Nope.

All steering systems are set for a light pull to the nearest ditch; countries with left-hand drive have a subtle pull to the right, while countries with right-hand drive have a subtle pull to the left.  Vehicles are intentionally set this way so a vehicle not receiving any steering input from the driver will exit the road to the ditch, rather than drift into oncoming traffic.

Any vehicle without that steering pull, or with a more pronounced pull that can be actively felt, needs a wheel alignment.  Try it next time you're driving at low speed somewhere without any traffic or risk; let go of the wheel briefly and note that your car will not (or at least, should not) continue in a straight line.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Well, I've never noticed that, last time I checked, it went straight. Though with the car I'm usually driving being an 18-year old truck, this "pull" effect is probably long gone. Wouldn't be the only thing long gone in this bucket of rust (I still love it, of course. My family having it for 12 of it's 18 years might have something to do with it :) ). I never really had a chance to drive our other, newer cars around an empty parking lot.

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
Well, since in a modern car, the steering "defaults" to going straight

Nope.

All steering systems are set for a light pull to the nearest ditch; countries with left-hand drive have a subtle pull to the right, while countries with right-hand drive have a subtle pull to the left.  Vehicles are intentionally set this way so a vehicle not receiving any steering input from the driver will exit the road to the ditch, rather than drift into oncoming traffic.

Any vehicle without that steering pull, or with a more pronounced pull that can be actively felt, needs a wheel alignment.  Try it next time you're driving at low speed somewhere without any traffic or risk; let go of the wheel briefly and note that your car will not (or at least, should not) continue in a straight line.

that has less to do with intentional design of the steering than the slope of the road.  if you're on a four lane divided highway, you'll usually pull toward the shoulder no matter which lane you're in.

and then having your alignment out of sorts will just **** any of that up and you will go wherever your car damn well pleases.
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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
I suppose this depends on the road, too. A crooked road will give you a pull in whatever direction it's crooked in. I've seen (and driven on) ones that required substantial effort and skill to leave, especially if you want to keep your suspension intact. There are roads in Poland on which cruise control could indeed "steer" the car, at least as long as you don't intend on leaving the rut. :) It's getting better, though. Slowly. Maybe they build roads to induce a slight pull off them in the West. Where I drive, they're usually crooked, full of portholes and ruts, so I never had a chance to tell. All I can say is that in a rather level parking lot I didn't notice it. However, as I mentioned, that was on an ancient truck that drove on those ruts and portholes for 12 years.
Now that I think of it, this makes more sense than building this into a car, though. In a city, you wouldn't want an out of control car to depart the street, because if it ended up on the sidewalk, it'd endanger pedestrians and possibly hit a building. So, you'd build a road as flat as possible in a city, and give it a slight angle in the countryside (where you can have a proper ditch).

 

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Re: People who think cruise control will actually steer the car
roads are built sloping to the edge for runoff.  i think the steering pull is just a side effect.
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I'm glad to find out plane gps systems are much higher quality than those found in cars  :P
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