[Lorric]

this and where is Snuffy???????????????????????

Dumb tradition that I REFUSE to take part in.
You hear me?
DUMB.

mwahahahaha

damn those mod powers

Second time I've seen that done.

[NGTM-1R]

So you're saying that a mission can be a piece of art, yes? So that would make FREDding an art form, no?

FRED is the block of unfinished marble you ordered. It can only become art through the use of FS2 to make it so.

Assuming FS2 doesn't bug out and crack Venus De Milo's arms off again.

[Spoon]

mwahahahaha

Moooongooooosseee!

YOU FORCED MY HAND

[AdmiralRalwood]

FRED is the block of unfinished marble you ordered. It can only become art through the use of FS2 to make it so.

Assuming FS2 doesn't bug out and crack Venus De Milo's arms off again.

The question isn't whether or not FRED is art, the question is whether or not FREDding is an art form. To use your analogy, it's saying that sculpting is a form of art, while the sculpture is the piece of art it creates.

[NGTM-1R]

The question isn't whether or not FRED is art, the question is whether or not FREDding is an art form. To use your analogy, it's saying that sculpting is a form of art, while the sculpture is the piece of art it creates.

And in that analogy, FS2 is still the art form, and FRED's files that it runs is still raw materials.

Fredding is igneous rock production.

[Axem]

mwahahahaha

Moooongooooosseee!

YOU FORCED MY HAND

Fascist! Stifling my free speech! Just because you don't like the results, you just destroy them. That's art all right. The art of BEING A JERKY MCJERKY PANTS FACE!

[AdmiralRalwood]

The question isn't whether or not FRED is art, the question is whether or not FREDding is an art form. To use your analogy, it's saying that sculpting is a form of art, while the sculpture is the piece of art it creates.

And in that analogy, FS2 is still the art form, and FRED's files that it runs is still raw materials.

Fredding is igneous rock production.

I don't even know where to begin with how wrong that is...

[Spoon]

Fascist! Stifling my free speech! Just because you don't like the results, you just destroy them. That's art all right. The art of BEING A JERKY MCJERKY PANTS FACE!

You wouldn't know art if it HIT YOU IN THE FACE. And you would APOLOGIZE TO IT you CANADIAN.

[Axem]

I accept your apology.

[Spoon]

I accept your apology.

(This is art btw)

[NGTM-1R]

I don't even know where to begin with how wrong that is...

Fredding cannot produce art and cannot be an art form because of it. All it can produce is FS2 files, which require FS2 to actually become any possible kind of art. One does not even know with certainty whether an FS2 file and what is done in FRED will even work, save by using FS2 to check.

Fredding is the production of raw materials which are combined with other raw materials in the forum of audio and graphical and AI and everything else to generate the artistic experience of the end consumer. Art happens inside the game engine; fredding in a vacuum creates nothing.

[niffiwan]

Sooo... modding is an artform, FREDing by itself is not?

[NGTM-1R]

Sooo... modding is an artform, FREDing by itself is not?

That'd be pretty accurate, yeah.

Mind I'm not sure I actually believe any of this, it just strikes me as the least-contradictory position if you start from the position that art is in the eye of one who beholds a completed work.

[mjn.mixael]

FREDing can be art... but what Axem does is an abomination....

[Luis Dias]

Sooo... modding is an artform, FREDing by itself is not?

That'd be pretty accurate, yeah.

Mind I'm not sure I actually believe any of this, it just strikes me as the least-contradictory position if you start from the position that art is in the eye of one who beholds a completed work.

Therefore an artisan is really someone that only exists as a kind of holographic mirage to those that actually "consume" the pieces of art?


I am giggling at all the insanities over here. Might as well ask if "sculpting is a form of art".  Not only the grammar is weird, the answer should be obvious.

[SypheDMar]

Question: Is math art? Is programming art? Is composing music art?

If yes, then FREDding is art.

See:
A Mathematician's Lament

[NGTM-1R]

Therefore an artisan is really someone that only exists as a kind of holographic mirage to those that actually "consume" the pieces of art?

They're less than that. Aside from the evidence of the work's existence and possibly other works' existence I'd wager you've seen any other sign the artist exists for well under half the works you've encountered.

Artists who don't perform are not real people to most of the end users, which is why acting pays big bucks and writing doesn't.

[SypheDMar]

I don't think it has to be a "completed" work to the end-user for it to be art.

Someone who loves composing music is producing art, even if it's just for his or herself. Creative writing is an artform in the same vein. Likewise, someone who is FREDding is producing art as long as there is artistic merit; just like how a stack of assorted papers can be considered art, or a blank canvas with near-random black ink splashed on it.

Art has very simple criteria to fill. To be considered art, one person must consider said work to be art. If Axem considers FREDding to be an artform akin to painting, then FREDding is art.

Having FREDded myself, I am simply amazed at Axem's artistic ingenuity. It's like comparing a three-year old drawing a stick figure to Da Vinci drawing a man; you can't compare!

e: To clarify, I am not denying that artisans aren't recognized. I'm saying that fame and art are independent of each other.

[The E]

FRED is a tool, like a hammer or pencil or keyboard.

Fredding, the act of taking an idea and turning it into a completed mission, is not functionally different to the process a sculpter goes through when turning clay into a sculpture.

So, is fredding art? No. Are finished missions art? Yes. Are Fredders artists? Yes, absolutely.

[Dragon]

Question: Is math art? Is programming art? Is composing music art?

If yes, then FREDding is art.

See:
A Mathematician's Lament

Well, math definitely is art. What else could all those infinite-dimensional spaces, "wheel" algebras (in which you can divide by zero, and that's not the weirdest thing about them) and infinitely recrusive geometric forms be good for?