[MP-Ryan]

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/20/saudi-arabia-new-terrorism-regulations-assault-rights

The interior ministry regulations include other sweeping provisions that authorities can use to criminalize virtually any expression or association critical of the government and its understanding of Islam. These “terrorism” provisions include the following:

    Article 1: “Calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based.”
    Article 2: “Anyone who throws away their loyalty to the country’s rulers, or who swears allegiance to any party, organization, current [of thought], group, or individual inside or outside [the kingdom].”
    Article 4: “Anyone who aids [“terrorist”] organizations, groups, currents [of thought], associations, or parties, or demonstrates affiliation with them, or sympathy with them, or promotes them, or holds meetings under their umbrella, either inside or outside the kingdom; this includes participation in audio, written, or visual media; social media in its audio, written, or visual forms; internet websites; or circulating their contents in any form, or using slogans of these groups and currents [of thought], or any symbols which point to support or sympathy with them.”
    Article 6: “Contact or correspondence with any groups, currents [of thought], or individuals hostile to the kingdom.”
    Article 8: “Seeking to shake the social fabric or national cohesion, or calling, participating, promoting, or inciting sit-ins, protests, meetings, or group statements in any form, or anyone who harms the unity or stability of the kingdom by any means.”
    Article 9: “Attending conferences, seminars, or meetings inside or outside [the kingdom] targeting the security of society, or sowing discord in society.”
    Article 11: “Inciting or making countries, committees, or international organizations antagonistic to the kingdom.”

So, since I'm presently violating several of these just by posting this, I'd like to take a moment to say something that I hope will turn up in some Saudi lawmakers search feed one day:

Come at me, mullah-****ers.

It goes without saying that I continue to advocate that Western citizens do all in their individual power to avoid sending these intolerant, rights-abusing bastards a single solitary cent.

[Goober5000]

It goes without saying that I continue to advocate that Western citizens do all in their individual power to avoid sending these intolerant, rights-abusing bastards a single solitary cent.

Well, there's this...
http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/query/do?_program=/eads/gbk/tablesByCountry&cocode=3SAU

[Mongoose]

Well if they're calling us that, might as well go all DURKA DURKA JIHAD.

[MP-Ryan]

Well if they're calling us that, might as well go all DURKA DURKA JIHAD.

What do you call an atheist holy war?

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Jihadn't

[An4ximandros]

There are five pillars to modern society:

Don't Segregate.
Don't force people to do things your way.
Don't be a dick.
Don't be a douche.
Don't be an asshole.

[headdie]

the legality of visiting politician would be interesting lol

[S-99]

This can't possibly be enforced practically, unless you're looking to criminalize any citizen at any time, for any reason (sounds like a lot of human interpretation will go along with deciding who gets arrested under this). It's so anti-societal pretty much turning all of your citizens into terrorists. If someone was a citizen over there, i would think it to be impossible to actually follow this to not be deemed a terrorist.

Maybe somebody should annex saudi arabia Bad joke, i know.

[yuezhi]

So all their immediate neighbouring countries are terrorists unless they swear loyalty to the king.

Oman, I'm quite cross.

[An4ximandros]

Yemen, it's pretty messed up. Iran from all this nonsense. Why doesn't the leadership get a Bahrain?

[Luis Dias]

This can't possibly be enforced practically, unless you're looking to criminalize any citizen at any time, for any reason (sounds like a lot of human interpretation will go along with deciding who gets arrested under this). It's so anti-societal pretty much turning all of your citizens into terrorists. If someone was a citizen over there, i would think it to be impossible to actually follow this to not be deemed a terrorist.

Sigh, this is (again!) totalitarianism 101: you make impossible laws with impossible demands, and thus you can (at will) send to jail anyone you really want. This means that if you abide by the "unofficial" law, you're ok. If, however, you insist on doing things that can piss people off (like say, be skeptical of X or Y or Z, or call for women's rights or whatever), then you have a mark on your forehead and an easy conviction if the Powers that Be want you in jail.

The purpose is not to send everyone who faults in this law into jail, that is indeed impossible. The purpose is to turn most of its citizens illegal so you can **** them whenever you want to.

[yuezhi]

Yemen, it's pretty messed up. Iran from all this nonsense. Why doesn't the leadership get a Bahrain?

What's that? Can't hear you over the sound of my Qatar

[Ghostavo]

This can't possibly be enforced practically, unless you're looking to criminalize any citizen at any time, for any reason (sounds like a lot of human interpretation will go along with deciding who gets arrested under this). It's so anti-societal pretty much turning all of your citizens into terrorists. If someone was a citizen over there, i would think it to be impossible to actually follow this to not be deemed a terrorist.

Sigh, this is (again!) totalitarianism 101: you make impossible laws with impossible demands, and thus you can (at will) send to jail anyone you really want. This means that if you abide by the "unofficial" law, you're ok. If, however, you insist on doing things that can piss people off (like say, be skeptical of X or Y or Z, or call for women's rights or whatever), then you have a mark on your forehead and an easy conviction if the Powers that Be want you in jail.

The purpose is not to send everyone who faults in this law into jail, that is indeed impossible. The purpose is to turn most of its citizens illegal so you can **** them whenever you want to.

This already happens in many if not all countries.

[Mobius]

Weird. Weird and unacceptable.

I've been in the United Arab Emirates and I enjoyed the experience mostly because those places, and the people who live there, were decades ahead of our stereotypes; Dubai in particular was clean, livable and very well organized. The inhabitants of those lands are more polite than many southern Europeans, yet they keep supporting leaders who come out with this sort of weird ideas. It sucks when innovation and tradition combine the wrong way.

[MP-Ryan]

I've been in the United Arab Emirates and I enjoyed the experience mostly because those places, and the people who live there, were decades ahead of our stereotypes; Dubai in particular was clean, livable and very well organized. The inhabitants of those lands are more polite than many southern Europeans, yet they keep supporting leaders who come out with this sort of weird ideas. It sucks when innovation and tradition combine the wrong way.[/color]

Yeah, the UAE is a great place, except for that whole nasty habit of charging and jailing rape victims.

[S-99]

This can't possibly be enforced practically, unless you're looking to criminalize any citizen at any time, for any reason (sounds like a lot of human interpretation will go along with deciding who gets arrested under this). It's so anti-societal pretty much turning all of your citizens into terrorists. If someone was a citizen over there, i would think it to be impossible to actually follow this to not be deemed a terrorist.

Sigh, this is (again!) totalitarianism 101: you make impossible laws with impossible demands, and thus you can (at will) send to jail anyone you really want. This means that if you abide by the "unofficial" law, you're ok. If, however, you insist on doing things that can piss people off (like say, be skeptical of X or Y or Z, or call for women's rights or whatever), then you have a mark on your forehead and an easy conviction if the Powers that Be want you in jail.

The purpose is not to send everyone who faults in this law into jail, that is indeed impossible. The purpose is to turn most of its citizens illegal so you can **** them whenever you want to.

My point is that the law simply can't even begin to be abided by. It's not even worth trying since too much convenient human interpretation will go along with interpreting the law to apply to the offenders; wishfully interpreting offenses to fit a purposefully designed interpretable law. Nothing will ever be so cut, dry, and clear with this.

You were the one who said jail, all i said was arrested (i suppose being disappeared also fits in with this if the local government decides not to make a public display with a bull**** arrest). In this scenario of horrible government which is popping up all over the world even in america (particularly getting after elimination of due process), not everyone goes to jail. I'm thinking right now of people getting sent to labor camps, target practice, and human experimentation.

But, why make ****ed up laws when you could just get due process eliminated? Luckily it's not that easy, ****ed up laws, feeding sheeple propaganda, and make due process totally seem uncool to the cool kids; it's a long or short road for any government to go down. It was a little shorter in america, due process hasn't been eliminated, but it's been greatly bypassed so that way you can do whatever you want to your citizens for any made up reason.

[Grizzly]

Yeah, the UAE is a great place, except for that whole nasty habit of charging and jailing rape victims.

What's up with that anyway? I can't find any logic to it.

[General Battuta]

All the same fundamental reasons the US makes life hard for rape victims, really. Just much, much more so.

[Dragon]

If they think they're doing Muslims all over the world any favors, well, they aren't. Looks like they're going for a full-on totalitarian on that one. Despite Wahhabism being what it is, I don't think this is particularly related to religion, other than it's caused by the same mindset that makes them endorse such a narrow-minded and strict version of Islam.
The worst thing is, I guess that noone is going to care. They're doing this to their own citizens, and the whole country is so backwards and rotten that they're going to get away with that. All the world cares about is oil they buy from them.

[Aardwolf]

Maybe the UN will censure them? Not that that does any good.

[666maslo666]

If Saudis consider atheists terrorists now, does it mean they will also start to fund atheist organisations?