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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
This is also relevant. Especially for anyone who thinks we could bring the cost of executions down.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
i think if we drop them alive into a giant meat grinder and then feed the remains to the other inmates, that might save some cash.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
Forbes actually has a great article on costs of the death penalty:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty/

Just because it's on forbes.com does not mean it's a real "Forbes" article. When there's "/sites" in the url, it means it's just some random contributor, one who doesn't need to meet any kind of accuracy or impartiality standards.

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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
Forbes actually has a great article on costs of the death penalty:  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty/

Just because it's on forbes.com does not mean it's a real "Forbes" article. When there's "/sites" in the url, it means it's just some random contributor, one who doesn't need to meet any kind of accuracy or impartiality standards.

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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
Do you have data that refutes the point made in the article?

Just stating for future reference. Not that this particular one was inaccurate (didn't even read it), just pointing out that saying something is a "Forbes Article" just because it's on forbes.com is a bad reason to assume it is correct.

 

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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
Way I see it, that's a useless point to make though. If an article is factually inaccurate, that's something that needs to be pointed out, if it is factually accurate but posted next to factually inaccurate articles, that's not.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
There are many ways to kill people, and some are more evil than others...
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
I don't really get why Dragon is singling out the Scots when support for the death penalty in Scotland is pretty much the same as in the rest of the UK.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
I think the point he's making is more that the Scots have a... perhaps not entirely undeserved reputation as a people for whom violence is more commonplace in everyday life. Or, to put it another way, it's always an angry drunken scotsman in the pub who starts the fights, at least stereotypically.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
I don't really get why Dragon is singling out the Scots when support for the death penalty in Scotland is pretty much the same as in the rest of the UK.

He's earned himself a new title for it though. :p
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
For me, it boils down to the question of what is really worthy of death penalty. I have absolutely no sympathy for murderers and rapists (and I can't fathom why anyone would, TBH), so my proposal is to start with those. Some would say it's too harsh, though.

Murderers I can understand but rapists? That is too harsh. Just because there is sex involved doesnt mean we should go all moral panic on the offender. Nonsexual torture or serious bodily harm can be even worse than grape, so why not kill those too. And thats how the slippery slope starts.. putting and end to such slippery slope before it can even begin is another good reason to abstain from death penalty.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
Sharon tells me the Scottish are no more violent than anyone else.

It's also hard to type in a headlock :nervous:

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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
It's also hard to type in a headlock :nervous:
Especially when the one putting you in a headlock is so short. :)

I would be interested in why Dragon singled the Scots out for favouring the death penalty if he would care to elaborate though. I tried a quick Google search but came up empty. He must have had a reason.

 
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Dragon has a faintly uncomfortable obsession with Scotland, it seems.
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
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Seriously? What the hell? Seriously? :wtf:

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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
To some extent that sounds like a rule which is not unreasonable being applied in a totally unreasonable way, contrary to what the author may say. (And despite what the article claims, England and Wales only abolished the rule under that particular name; it remains a principle of common law, and Scots law has always had its own version.)
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
(some people, and I'm using the term loosely, deserve a painful, slow death)
Humane non-barbaric execution is what civilized people do.


I would argue that any kind of execution is probably what civilized people don't do.
Thanks for not noticing my point. Since what i chose not to bypass is what actually happens. The fact that non-barbaric punishment does and will happen, will always happen. Will it always need death? Perhaps not in the future.

But, for the sake of interpretting your argument shall i also assume that spanking your kid is barbaric punishment?
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Re: Oklahoma experiments with homebrew lethal injections; disgraces itself
I think you've completely missed Black Wolf's point that by claiming to be civilised while still executing, you're merely adding window dressing to a fairly barbaric act.

Forget your earlier question, a closer analogy is whether civilised people beat their children with a cane or cat'o'nine tails. After all, the cane was considered civilised enough that we were still seeing it used in schools only a few decades ago. But most countries in the western world realised that perhaps this wasn't the way we should be treating children at all, let alone when many canings were given out to children who hadn't actually done anything, and were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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