[JC Denton]

Well, I just checked that wtc2002 site, and I say it does look like an ambitious undertaking.  Although this 5-mile no fly zone is a bit problematic considering La Guarida's proximity to the site.

I suppose that they could have active, ultrasensitive airspace monitoring tied directly to Air Force Command or something (for helicopter traffic), and a very strictly maintained launch/landing corridor in the no-fly zone so La Guardia can keep her liner traffic coming and going.

And could someone give me a decent theory on this ultrasound shield whateverinthehellthethingis they're proposing, because any soundwave that is potent enough to knock an airplane out of its flight path is going to be more than capable of shattering every window in a hundred miles.  Unless they intend on using a focused "beam" of sorts to push it away...

Also, this thing about the central column being the anchor?  Baaad mojo there.  I think that each tower should be fully capable of handling twice the load of the entire structure in the event of a dire emergency.  That way if anything gives, there's an inane amount of redundancy in the system.

Y'know, they do have a feedback form on that site, so if someone has an idea to make things better, I suppose they'll look it over.

[vyper]

And could someone give me a decent theory on this ultrasound shield whateverinthehellthethingis they're proposing, because any soundwave that is potent enough to knock an airplane out of its flight path is going to be more than capable of shattering every window in a hundred miles. Unless they intend on using a focused "beam" of sorts to push it away...  

Beam... weapon?

"Sir, there's a small helicopter too close to the WTC."
"Arm the BFGreen Commander!"

[beatspete]

Originally posted by PhReAk


do you know how hard it is to adequately check baggage these days?  I'll go with the cannon anyday

Sure, you can shoot down any plane that comes within 5 miles.  But if you shoot it down it'll crash somewhere else in New York, maybee on a school or something.
Oh but shoot it by all means.

Would you also shoot down the pigeons?
My point is thats crazy, you dont put AAA ontop of every tall building just to shoot down planes which may or may not contain terorists.

[Kellan]

What's the obsession with something bigger? How is bigger automatically 'better' to people? Economies of scale only work up to a point. Besides, since we're always arguing that a dozen destroyers are better than a Colossus in terms of risk-bearing in FS2, why do you not apply the same principles to building construction?

I suppose the whole world really does conform to the hopeless psychology 101-isms that you say these terrorists are afflicted with: "oh no, they rebuilt it! We are defeated!" and so on.

Really CP, I didn't think that you would be such a victim of subconscious penis extensions.

On the subject of the WTC2002, it really is the ugliest building I've seen since I last visited London. And how does rebuilding a structure over the original site honour the dead - especially when it's billions of feet of office space? "An eight wonder for retail" the site proudly proclaims. So we should honour the dead by shopping now? Does it matter to the designers that the public want a transport hub to make Manhattan more accessible and the victims' families want the footprint of the towers only to be used as a memorial site?

I agree with Stryke 9 that Manhattan needs affordable housing far more than it needs another shop or office. Surely allowing people to live their lives on the site is more of a memorial than allowing them to shop 'till they drop. Having some public space in the heartland of corporate America would be nice, too.

[CP5670]

Actually, the reason I would support that is that it will be very good for public morale, which in turn will boost the economy back up. (in addition to demoralizing the enemy) Anyway,I am not one of those who thinks that several Orions are better than the Colossus. And this whole thing about "honoring the dead" is quite ridiculous; as that Vasudan pilot says, "no sorrow but vengeance!"

[Kellan]

Bah, the economy is in too bad a shape for a single, albeit huge project to set it back on track. The dollar is still overvalued, and talking up the war in Iraq isn't doing anything for investor confidence or the future price of oil. Consumers have just caught on so spending is down, too.

[Stryke 9]

Kellan: Any housing in the Manhattan area does not qualify as "affordable" by any standard. Any that close to Wall Street and Times Square, doubly so. What they COULD do, tho, if they wanted someting like that, is to let it grow in a bit and turn it into a new Central Park-type area.

But no, no doubt some kinda kitch is gonna get put up anyway. It's what the People seem to want, damn them.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Kellan: Any housing in the Manhattan area does not qualify as "affordable" by any standard. Any that close to Wall Street and Times Square, doubly so.

I'm well aware that this is the case at present; it would be nice to make some though. However, if it was on the open market they'd immediately climb in value, so they'd have to be government controlled. So maybe it wouldn't be such a popular idea...

I agree that the current memorials seem to be verging towards the tacky. Mind you, if one were particularly scathing it could be said that an even bigger WTC represents a perfectly acceptable monument to a lot of dead bankers, lawyers, auditors and speculators.

That may be a little close to the bone though.

[Stryke 9]

Yeh, it's funny to realize that before September 11 the WTC was as great a symbol of Amerikan jingoistic, rapacious corporate evil as the Pentagon was a symbol of genocide and criminal slaughtering of non-Amerikans in the Vietnam era. Boy, those propoganda machines do work, don't they? Nobody even remembers how hated the WTC was as a symbol anymore.

ANYWAY. How about a giant dollar bill? Or, if the idea of retaliation is still big, a giant phallus to tick off those ultra-religious terrorists, including the ones on the home front that aren't considered terrorists so much because they're white Christians. We can run an abortion clinic from the top.

Hopefully, nothing to do with 10,000 American flags, which is the most probable one.

[Kellan]

Stryke 9, your continued existence has renewed my faith in America.

[Stryke 9]

Ugh, that keeps happening to me. Why can't it do the opposite for once!!??

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Ugh, that keeps happening to me. Why can't it do the opposite for once!!??

Well okay; my faith in the ability of Americans to question and criticise their own regimes. Is that better?

[Stryke 9]

Much.

I consider it bad manners to advocate the overthrow of any country one is not personally in, so it follows naturally, I guess.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
I consider it bad manners to advocate the overthrow of any country one is not personally in, so it follows naturally, I guess.

I was in America until last Sunday technically, so do I count? :wink:

If not, I can just advocate the overthrow of the British government. I have an excellent plan: if I store enough barrels of gunpowder underneath the Houses of Parliament, I can blow everyone up! Aahahahaaaa!!! *puts pinkie near corner of mouth* :devilidea

[Stryke 9]

Time elapsed doesn't matter, in my opinion. Point is, you have to live with the government you want to tear down, and thus know why it has to be taken down. That, and you're not preaching to a buncha people who don't have to live or die by what goes on, and care little about those who do.

Mmm... they might have to add a second name to Guy Fawkes day, then.

[Kellan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Time elapsed doesn't matter, in my opinion. Point is, you have to live with the government you want to tear down, and thus know why it has to be taken down. That, and you're not preaching to a buncha people who don't have to live or die by what goes on, and care little about those who do.

Okay, I was being a bit stupid rather than serious. As you could probably tell. :wink:

[Stryke 9]

I know, I know...

[beatspete]

Originally posted by Kellan


If not, I can just advocate the overthrow of the British government. I have an excellent plan: if I store enough barrels of gunpowder underneath the Houses of Parliament, I can blow everyone up! Aahahahaaaa!!! *puts pinkie near corner of mouth* :devilidea

That doesnt seem quite right.  Some guy (ie Guy Fawkes, get it?) tries to blow up the Houses of Parliment.  Sure, he got executed for it... but then he got a yearly festival named after him still celebrated to this day.
How does that work?

[Stryke 9]

They don't like Parlaiment all that much, either?

[Mr Carrot]

Nah we all just hate that slimey tit Tony Blair.