[666maslo666]

The most disturbing thing in this case is not the Zoey itself (one woman using sex to gain favors from men is not exactly news), its the widespread censorship attempts on major sites - sites who pose themselves as free speech spaces (4chan and reddit). And its by far not just "doxxing" posts that are being deleted (like you can even doxx someone who already uses her real identity on the internet, lol. The word is so abused lately it has basically lost its original meaning - revealing IRL information of anonymous/pseudonymous posters).

Nevermind, the Streisand effect is in full force, so censorship attempts are ultimately futile and counterproductive. You would think that the admins/mods of such major sites would already know how the internet tends to work in these matters.. 

[Lorric]

Where is it... where did I see it... Here we are.

Depression quest made me figure out that I have a depression and encouraged me to actually do something about it, thus basically saving my life.
What other game can make that claim?

She'll do for me then if her game has had that kind of impact for even one person.

[AdmiralRalwood]

A privately-owned website refusing to publish something you wrote does not, in fact, constitute censorship.

[Aardwolf]

"Censorship" is not strictly limited to government censorship.

And in this case, it's not simply "refusing to publish"; the posts went up, were visible to the Internets, and then were taken down.

[Grizzly]

Reddit's policy.

Nevermind, the Streisand effect is in full force, so censorship attempts are ultimately futile and counterproductive. You would think that the admins/mods of such major sites would already know how the internet tends to work in these matters.. 

There is another issue: How law enforcement works. Zoey Quinn is getting harassments thrown her way on, say, reddit which flatly break the law. There are things going on that are eerily similar to revenge porn and all that jazz. Those things definitely should be removed.

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so if a reporter who had been covering a presidential candidate and had been very positive of them and stonewalled any criticism turned out later to have been in an intimate relationship the whole while you would not blink at it? it's a different scale, but it's a similar issue.

Honestly, I am rather surprised that the angry ravings of an angry ex warrant a post and a video, let alone the ****storm that now has followed.

There are also some issues with this:
It assumes that there is an intimate relationship. The only information we have on this are the words of an angry ex. Angry exes are by default not very reliable.

It assumes that the intimate relationship was there when the articles were being written. There are no such articles.

[Grizzly]

TBH I am rather angry about this. I am also angry about this appearing on Hard-Light, a place I did think above this sort of mindless drivel.

For some unspecified reason, the post of an angry ex that claimed that Quinn has been sleeping with, amongst some other people, a games journalist, has led to Zoey Quinn being paraded around as the symbol of everything that is wrong with the industry. Heck, the above video lists it as a conspiracy theory that blames her for being the driving force against the 'waves of feminism' we have been seeing in the games industry lately!

She is now facing levels of abuse which are worse then those seen by people like Jennifer Hepler, Anita Sarkeesian, and Zoey Qui... It involves her nudes being posted to friends' twitter accounts along with adresses (Who may not even be hers, but whatever, the intent is clear). It involves slut shaming, it involves...

Heck it's basically a bloody revenge porn campaign. Same start same results, except that this one is a bit more public. I am rather dissapointed in people at HLP taking this at face value.

[AdmiralRalwood]

"Censorship" is not strictly limited to government censorship.

And in this case, it's not simply "refusing to publish"; the posts went up, were visible to the Internets, and then were taken down.

A privately-owned website deleting posts that used to be visible is also not censorship.

[deathfun]

I am also angry about this appearing on Hard-Light, a place I did think above this sort of mindless drivel.

It's a discussion about what's going on as of late. That's generally what Gen Disc is for here

[Bobboau]

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it is censorship, what I think you are meaning is that it is within their rights. the word has a meaning and it is correct usage in this context.

[AdmiralRalwood]

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it is censorship, what I think you are meaning is that it is within their rights. the word has a meaning and it is correct usage in this context.

No, it is not censorship. Just like getting banned from IRC is not censorship. Nobody is obliged to help you spread your message; failure to do so is not a form of censorship.

[SpardaSon21]

This is not failure to help spread, this is active obstruction of the message by deletion of messages, and therefore a form of censorship.

EDIT: As far as I can tell, this is done without there being any official policy with regards to messages about this issue, so it all really stinks of something trying to be swept under the rug.

[Polpolion]

Nobody is obliged to help you spread your message; failure to do so is not a form of censorship.

Huh? That's not the same thing as deleting posts, though. Deleting posts is actively censoring whatever was in the post. You're right that no one is obliged to help spread someone's message but there's a big ****ing difference between inaction and actively removing posted content.

As for the actual Zoey whatever stuff, I watched a couple minutes of the DMCA'd video. Is there anything at all to this aside from bogus DMCA takedowns and a bunch of reddit comments getting deleted? Gaming journalism drama doesn't count; it's already been a joke for as long as I can remember.

[deathfun]

As far as I could tell Polp, it's all alleged stuff that has no merit


Also, censorship or not, it is wrong to take down personal attacks, unfounded allegations, harassing and what are essentially cyber bullying tactics towards *one* specific individual for something BENIGN and originating from an illegitimate source?

They should be taking that stuff down. While free speech is a right that the state cannot revoke under law, private institutions are exempt from having to abide by that since the law only prevents the *Government* from doing that.

[Grizzly]

This is not failure to help spread, this is active obstruction of the message by deletion of messages, and therefore a form of censorship.

EDIT: As far as I can tell, this is done without there being any official policy with regards to messages about this issue, so it all really stinks of something trying to be swept under the rug.

Once again, Reddit's policy.

[AdmiralRalwood]

This is not failure to help spread, this is active obstruction of the message by deletion of messages, and therefore a form of censorship.

No, it isn't.

Nobody is obliged to help you spread your message; failure to do so is not a form of censorship.

Huh? That's not the same thing as deleting posts, though. Deleting posts is actively censoring whatever was in the post. You're right that no one is obliged to help spread someone's message but there's a big ****ing difference between inaction and actively removing posted content.

Yes, it's the same thing, and no, there isn't a difference.

Noun
censorship (countable and uncountable, plural censorships)
1. The use of state or group power to control freedom of expression or press, such as passing laws to prevent media from being published or propagated.

(source)

In addition, even mentioning censorship in relation to this incident is laughable; clearly nobody's freedom of expression is being curtailed, as negative opinions of Ms. Quinn obviously aren't encountering difficulty being disseminated.

[Lorric]

Perhaps the word "suppression" would be more appropriate?

[Nuke]

nuke the internet!

[Bobboau]

ralwood, I honestly don't care about your hangup over semantics, you are flatly objectively wrong, and your response to me is going to be wrong, and honestly I don't care enough to say it again. you have a right to be wrong, have fun.

[AdmiralRalwood]

you are flatly objectively wrong

Wow, way to back up your assertion with any form of evidence whatsoever. I see you are interested in having an actual productive debate and not just ranting on the internet.

Oh, wait, no, the opposite of that.

[Grizzly]

ralwood, I honestly don't care about your hangup over semantics, you are flatly objectively wrong, and your response to me is going to be wrong, and honestly I don't care enough to say it again. you have a right to be wrong, have fun.

Good, finally someone with objectivity to seperate us from the ramblings of wailing hysterical women...

Really, when you post this:

So apparently there is a bunch of **** going down in a number of places involving systematic suppression of information about an indie developer who allegedly has been using a lovely combination of nepotism, sex, intimidation and manipulation to gain favors in the press and industry and crush anyone or any thing she doesn't like. So many different aspects of wrongness, from the straightforward corruption in the gaming press to the use of feminist ideology to try to silence people talking about it, to the apparent wide spread censoring of the information across many different communitys from reddit to tumblr to 4chan, and an apparent media blackout about it in the gaming press (possibly connected? a "conspiracy"?).

Without actually checking what is going on, you then go on about people being objectivily wrong?

Seriously?