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I just don't see how a 20+ minute lightsaber fight (Ani and Obi) can be considered anything but tiring and boring.

Lightsaber fight sequences were some of the best parts of the new trilogy.
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I'm going to disagree with that to be honest, they mostly consisted of two people bashing their swords together, even to the point where you can see them waiting for the next move in the 'list'. In fact, when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting, they both look bored more than anything else.

In the case of Dooku, it looked like someone had just said 'wave the thing around and we'll add Yoda later' (which ended up with him looking like a demented green beach-ball), and as for the Palpatine vs the Jedi scene, well the opening to that was downright embarrassing to watch.

The Darth Maul fights were impressive, but still more like a dance than a battle.

 

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Yeah, the prequel lightsaber fights aren't very good. Since they're lightsabers, realism is out the window immediately (because a realistic one wouldn't be very interesting at all) so I'm not complaining about that as such, but I feel the fights have pretty much no weight behind them at all. There's lots of pointless jumping around and twirling the swords around so fast that no strike is given the time to actually feel like a strike, it's simply too fast and feels like little more than a contest of who one can put out more swings per minute.

The ESB and RotJ fights are much better in that regard, even though they have tons of really plain choreographical mistakes (in the sense of "why is he not trying to hit him" etc). Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH is arguably pretty awful, but it's still better than in jumping all over the place and spinning the saber like you're trying to take off with it.

 

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Lightsabre fights are completely stupid anyway. You have a weapon with a blade that has no weight and which will maim or kill upon any hit. Lightsabre fights shouldn't look like knights hacking away with broadswords, they should look like a fencing duel.

Padme dying because "she has nothing to live for" (at least accoridng to the medical droid) when she just gave birth to twins.

I'm reminded of the line from Robot Chicken - "She's lost the will to live? What is your degree in? Poetry? You sorry bunch of hippies! For godsake, don't use the billions of dollars of medical equipment around us."
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Lightsabers and The Force are some of the most completely arbitrary things in the whole SW universe anyway, and their use has always been more about good appearances than good mechanics.  This is especially true of the games it spawned, even my much loved KOTOR and KOTOR2.

The problem is that Lucas combined the ability to perform magic with a weapon wielded by these people that, as kara said, results in instant maiming or death upon a strike.  Regardless of skill level match, these fights should be settled incredibly quickly because the slightest mistake should result in an immediately-decisive end.  I don't think even fencing is an appropriate analogy - a much better one is a gunfight.  Two gunslingers meet at high noon - whoever gets hit first loses.

That, unfortunately, does not make for good viewing.  Instead, we get utter stupidity like the Grievous battle, etc.  The original Trilogy's lightsaber battles make much more sense, in that (except for the odd spinning flourish) they tend to be much more cautious, with each participant being on the defensive to ensure they don't get struck during the fight.



While we're talking about the utter idiocy of Padme's death, recall that in the original series, Leia says she remembers parts of her mother.  O RLY?  Because Episode 3 makes that spectacularly unlikely.
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Lightsaber fight sequences were some of the best parts of the new trilogy.

Wow, really? Well, I guess that's not saying much.


While we're talking about the utter idiocy of Padme's death, recall that in the original series, Leia says she remembers parts of her mother.  O RLY?  Because Episode 3 makes that spectacularly unlikely.

Yeah, I always wondered about this. Did Lucas write himself into a corner with that line and have to retcon it?

Or when Leia is talking with Luke about her mom saying she remembers "just images really; she was very beautiful but... sad", perhaps her memories/images come from the Force?

Or maybe she's not talking about Padme at all, but rather Momma Organa (whoever that may be)?
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Perhaps "images" as in, actual pictures of her? While I'm sure they wouldn't be keeping a whole lot of them around (given everything, Vader probably really wouldn't like this...), it doesn't seem unlikely that Leia was shown, at some point of her life, a hologram or a picture of her mother. Unlike the Lars family, Organas were senators, like Padme, so they'd likely have some images of her around.
I'm reminded of the line from Robot Chicken - "She's lost the will to live? What is your degree in? Poetry? You sorry bunch of hippies! For godsake, don't use the billions of dollars of medical equipment around us."
The official line is that the medical droid wasn't actually of a very good make (nor particularly versed in humans), and the medical equipment wasn't "billions of dollars", it just looked like that to us, but was, in truth, pretty shoddy. Polis Massa was supposed to be an SW equivalent of a small village hospital. Doesn't make it any less stupid, considering the tech level in SW, even a back alley doctor should've managed to save her just fine.

 

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Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH is arguably pretty awful, but it's still better than in jumping all over the place and spinning the saber like you're trying to take off with it.
To be fair, they were both old farts at that point.  It was a minor miracle that Obi-wan could still get it up. :D

 

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Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH is arguably pretty awful, but it's still better than in jumping all over the place and spinning the saber like you're trying to take off with it.
To be fair, they were both old farts at that point.  It was a minor miracle that Obi-wan could still get it up. :D

I feel like there's a SpaceBalls joke just waiting to happen here...
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The original trilogy based much of its sword play on Kendo.  If you watch high tier hachi-dan level bouts it looks quite a bit like the lightsaber duels in originals.  The young fellas typically are super aggressive profligate with their strikes, but two masters tend to have a lot of tension and economy of movement as they pick the moment for a decisive strike.  The thing about sword play is that what you may lose in raw athletic ability is more than compensated by pattern recognition.  High level Kendo players, despite being 30-40 years older than guys in their 20s will smoke younger kendoka. 

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man this is even sillier than top-level western fencing
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Those two are lightning-fast, but I have to admit its anti-climatic/hilarious the way they stand there trembling menacingly at each other.  Note:  I didn't realize a tremble could be menacing until seeing this :p
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The official line is that the medical droid wasn't actually of a very good make (nor particularly versed in humans), and the medical equipment wasn't "billions of dollars", it just looked like that to us, but was, in truth, pretty shoddy.

And that sums up pretty much every reason why I've stayed the **** away from almost the entirety of the extended universe. ****ty writing to try and explain ****ty writing.
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Even if that were the case, who would program a medical droid to, rather than say 'I'm sorry Sirs, but I lack the required knowledge to deal with this condition' to instead run some kind of 'poetic bull****' subroutine?

 

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Even if that were the case, who would program a medical droid to, rather than say 'I'm sorry Sirs, but I lack the required knowledge to deal with this condition' to instead run some kind of 'poetic bull****' subroutine?

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Devs be trolling in the try-catch block.
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I submit to the court my own review on GoodReads of the novelization of Star Wars Episode One - The Phantom Menace:
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My rating: 1 of 5 stars


There's an interesting re-edit of Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace out there, called The Phantom Edit. It's one person's edit of the original movie, with as much of the moronic Jar-Jar, annoying Anakin, and redundant storyline removed as possible. It's an improvement, though the movie still falls far short of the original trilogy.

Unfortunately, this book goes in the opposite direction. The author expounds on both the Jar-Jar and the Anakin idiocy, often taking it to extremes (for example, when Anakin first meets Padme in Watto's shop, the conversation in the book ends with Anakin stating that he is going to marry Padme...). The additional plot explanations are welcome, but those mainly manage to expose the absurdity of the storyline to the reader.

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The original trilogy based much of its sword play on Kendo.  If you watch high tier hachi-dan level bouts it looks quite a bit like the lightsaber duels in originals.  The young fellas typically are super aggressive profligate with their strikes, but two masters tend to have a lot of tension and economy of movement as they pick the moment for a decisive strike.  The thing about sword play is that what you may lose in raw athletic ability is more than compensated by pattern recognition.  High level Kendo players, despite being 30-40 years older than guys in their 20s will smoke younger kendoka. 


Needs more German longsword...

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You would have to make sure to drop any quillon dependent techniques if appling Kunst des Fechtens to a lightsaber, plus half sword is just plain out for obvious reasons :D
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Well, that is very ture. :P
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