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Offline Luis Dias

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In my eyes, the Falcon is an absolute outlier. Yes, it's a cargo ship, but more like one of a kind at that, and then heavily modified with a hacker "modding" spirit, to make it the "fastest" piece of garbage in the galaxy. To make several of them and have them be the "fleet", it would be astronomically more expensive than spamming your factories with XWings and AWings.

 

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Yeah, it's a result of years of tinkering, modifications and tweaks. Most of them highly illegal, using technology that would be only available to Imperial fleet (where do you think the engines are from?). Remember, most of what makes up the Falcon was stolen from someone at least once. :) As such, it'd likely be impossible to replicate for the Rebels - if they had this sort of tech available in sufficient quantities, they'd be making actual military ships with much, much higher capabilities than Falcon. Not as fast or agile, but packing one heck of a punch. Also, the Falcon is a maintenance nightmare. Remember, it doesn't only have one of the best pilots in the galaxy, but also one of the best mechanics. Maintenance cost and time would be staggering if something like Falcon was to be made and operated like a regular military ship. It's a hangar queen as-is, and the only reason it works is that Han and Chewie don't care much for safety regulations. It would likely not be allowed to fly if it was ever actually inspected (not that our jolly smugglers ever let anyone do that).

 

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You also forget that, as a military vessel, it does not make sense to use on a large scale. I think that although the Alliance fleet makes strives at standardization and uniformity (for the sake of logistics and military operation/organization), they'll use anything they can get their hands on. Therefore, the Falcon is a useful asset, but not a likely expenditure as far as large-scale logistics are concerned. It's also huge - you could pack a few starfighters into the space it takes to house the Falcon. Therefore, it's a really bad idea to put lots of Corellian freighters-turned-gunboats into your flight decks. It's also a lot harder to maintain than any starfighter.

You also have physics and geometric concerns in combat. Size has already be covered as far as storage goes, but the Falcon is a huge target compared to an X-Wing, etc. Deflector shields (especially strong ones) are great, but if you're getting hit at all, there's a good chance you're doing it wrong. Size DOES matter... :p Keep in mind that the Falcon probably has a variety of jamming arrays on-board that make it hard to get and keep a lock on - this may explain why it does such a good job at evading enemy fire. To make a game reference, think of playing FS1 and encountering Shivans for the first time: if you're used to using the calculated aim-point and it's not there, you may have a very difficult time getting an accurate shot. Jammers most certainly should play a larger part in SW combat, but they seem to fall by the way-side in most subjects we think about. Regradless, how much better would a standard starfighter do against an enemy with a comparable jamming array as the Falcon?

Finishing with the physics issues (should you choose to consider them) from my last post, even if you have a huge power-to-weight ratio, you have other things to consider. The general force equation (F=MA) is generally only one-dimensional. The Falcon is high-mass, even when unloaded, compared to a starfighter. So, the force generated by the main engines (negating any reactions which affect the total mass of the ship) must be higher than the mass of the ship, especially for a spacecraft. If the ship's engine thrust and mass remain constant, you can therefore easily determine its maximum acceleration. However, this is only in one direction - change the directional vector, and you have a high amount of mass with little force to change the flightpath of the ship. This may also be proportionally true for starfighters, but they were built with that in mind, I feel, and therefore probably handle much better. Starfighters also have much lower rotational inertia values.

Thus, the reason the Falcon does well in combat is the same reason a P-40 or a Polish P.11c does well in combat against a superior adversary: tactics. Whoever is flying the ship is using what it does well to the maximum effect while avoiding puting it in situations that would outright kill the crew. Tactics can let poor equipment or unsuitable equipment overcome a better equipped enemy - isn't that the story of the Rebel Alliance in a nutshell, anyway?
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You know, I do love Mickey Mouse as well, but will also struggle to accept any 'real life' reasons why he can talk because it's not really relevant to my enjoyment of the show. I'll even accept that Mithril Armor not only prevents puncture wounds, but also prevents rib-cages from shattering, these are sort of the tools that story-telling requires.

Not everything has to be justifiable from a real-life context to be fun, so people don't really need to go looking for ways that it could happen, that's sort of the point of fantasy movies. As I said, from a real life perspective, I find it hard to believe, but then these movies are all about suspension of belief. If everything that happened had to be explained and justified, it'd be a sci-fi movie, and Star Wars isn't sci-fi.

If you have a reason for it that works for you, that's absolutely fine, that's the point of Star Wars, you can space-magic up any reason you like for it and it'll work, if that increases your enjoyment of the movie then good luck to you, when I'm in the cinema watching it, I'll still enjoy it, but I don't really see a need to justify it.

 

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The problem I have with "realism" applied to Star Wars is because the Star Wars genre was initially an homage to many classic WW2 films, Westerns, and Akira Kurasawa. Not that I expect the audience to know this, but it allows me to understand the context that made the original trilogy the monstrosity as we know it today. XD

Realism has as much place in the original trilogy as sanity in Michael Jackson's Moonwalker, but the importance of thematic elements and characters at play are what hold the originally trilogy together, at least in my eyes.
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You forgot to mention the obvious Buck Rogers. Hell, even the famous scrolling text thing came out of BR.

 

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Seems to me the Falcon is kinda like a commando; it can do pretty much everything a regular soldier (small ship) can do, but that's due to years of expensive training, lots of expensive equipment, and finding the right people. Regular militaries don't field battalions of commandos because of the cost:benefit ratio - it makes sense to have a few of them for special uses, but not hordes.
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...and the Jawas all bought a tropical paradise planet with the proceeds from salvaging an ISD and SSD.  Assuming their little hearts didn't all explode with glee when they first found the wrecks.
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Better: WHAT THE FRAK HAPPEND? A entire fleet lay down in the sands....
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Offline Luis Dias

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The empire was defeated, that's simple. The ruins are there to remind us of that. The new empire is probably a small offshot of it, commanded by what appears to be the new Hitler in town.

"Chewie we're home" Jesus Christ my heart melted.

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwAIjnVnwUE

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:eek2:

Color-inverted T.I.E. Fighters, as well as a special kind without the usual hexagonal cockpit window (the one in the hangar scene)...

The Falcon flying into the engines of a crashed SSD...

The new "crying" stormtrooper helmets (perhaps it helps them aim slightly better?)...

Vader's fire-melted helmet...

Luke's implication of a son or daughter...

Han and Chewie coming home...


All I know is, Epic Rap Battles of History is gonna have a blast with this. :nod:
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"Chewie we're home" Jesus Christ my heart melted.
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I will say, I got more of a Star-Wars 'vibe' from those tasters than I did from the trailers for the prequels, so I consider that a positive thing.

 

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"Chewie we're home" Jesus Christ my heart melted.

You sure you didn't mean brain? :eek2:

 

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Today's teaser is cool, better than the last one (still it doesn't reconcile me with J.J. Abrams)

What intrigues me most (for now) is not in the Teaser but was spoiled from photographs of the plaques from the showrooms: the new "empire guys" are called the "First Order" which immidiately gave me an association to cult-like speech patterns... let's see how that plays out...
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Sorry, can't help it, I'm hyped.

  

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Ditto. :yes:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill