[Tiara]

Originally posted by Pera

Right now, you are treating the symptoms when you should attend to the disease, the reasons of terrorism.

Reason : both want land with religious attachments... Religion equals ignorance (Ofcourse not always but in this case it is). They won't share it. They won't devide it. Now you give me a cure for this "desease".

And for the ignorance part : All religions based on a GOD (a good one no devil, etc...) have 1 thing in common. Love everybody even though they are different. And they are ignorant because they say the fight for their beliefs but in reality they are just fighting because they want more power. That is what I call ignorance.

Ofcourse the actual terrorists haven't always religion attachments to it but only money... Give me a cure for these things and you'll be crowned ruler of this world.

[Pera]

Originally posted by Tiara
Give me a cure for these things and you'll be crowned ruler of this world.

Well, if even I could do this, the whole problem would have been solved even before it became one

But seriously, the area that was first given to Israel by UK, was tiny compared to current Israel. From what I've heard of the palestinian demands, they are relatively fair, and the biggest problem are the extremists on both sides(ie. the ones who want all of the "holy land"). But they could just start with something small, like "no more terrorism, and you get equal rights as an isreali, and no more jewish colonies on your territory".

Of course, I don't live there, so I simply don't understand why do people have to be nasty to each other all the time.

BTW, what you said about religion is true, only the dumb are really willing to die for their religion, and it's mostly used only as an excuse, the real reason is elsewhere.

[killadonuts]

Originally posted by CP5670
Third option definitely; civilian casualties are unavoidable in any conflict, and what these terrorist gangs do is to run for cover in densely-populated areas so that they will take down some civilians with them if they die, but that of course should not get in the way of any dedicated military operation. No apology should be given.

Besides, isnt war about.......death?!
This is supposed to be a war right?

[CP5670]

Besides, isnt war about.......death?!

exactly.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Zeronet
People need to use a thing called common sense, instead of being technical, Hamas is obvivously a terrorist organization, suicide bombers, suicide pilots are tools of terrorists.

By that logic i guess Japanese suicide bombers were terrorists too. Oh wait they had a "legal" country and "legal "military. Lets not forget, "civilized" countries decide what "legal"

Alls fair in love and war. The one who is right is who is left.

[Stryke 9]

The Japanese kamikazes were not terrorists. If they were, anybody who ever used a gun in wartime or was involved with the conduction of war would be a terrorist, because one's own death is not what makes one a terrorist by any definition. The kamikazes attacked hostile military targets who were generally already actively firing upon them.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
The Japanese kamikazes were not terrorists. If they were, anybody who ever used a gun in wartime or was involved with the conduction of war would be a terrorist, because one's own death is not what makes one a terrorist by any definition. The kamikazes attacked hostile military targets who were generally already actively firing upon them.

I grudgingly agree with this assessment. The kamikazes weren't strictly speaking terrorists. My definition of a terrorist is someone who utilizes violence against non-combatants for political ends. The kamikazes were Japanese soldiers using suicide tactics on other soldiers with whom they were at war (and, thus, there was no political objective involved; it was a military tactic).

Still, there's no doubt that the kamikazes scared the **** out of the American sailors who were fighting in the Pacific...

The Japanese were wasteful in using the kamikazes. The japanese sacrificed countless pilots to suicide tactics and it didn't win the war for them.

Suicide for reasons of honor has only one result: fewer honorable people.

As for the 9/11 terrorists, yeah, they used planes in a suicide manuver, but they did it against non-combatant civilians in peacetime (even if the war started right after), and al Qaeda has proclaimed long and long that this was done for political purposes.

Thus, they're terrorists. Same for the Palestinian suicide bombers.

As for Israel assassinating that Shalam terrorist dude, I would have tried to assassinate him with a sniper or a covert team first. If that didn't work, then I would have sent the F-16.

Truth to tell, though, Israel did try to assassinate him through other means first, so Israel did this exactly as I would have done it.

The Palestinians are such hypocrites. They bomb Israeli civialians by the dozens (remember the Passover massacre?), then when israel justifiably retaliates in self-defense, taking extraordinary care to avoid Palestinian civilian casualties which minimizes civilian deaths to less than a dozen, the Palestinians complain of the Israeli government deliberately engineering a 'massacre' of Palestinians.

As long as there are Palestinian terrorists killing Israeli civilians, there won't be a Palestinian state. Pure and simple.

[vyper]

Give the territory back to Britain and we'll sort it all out for you...

*calls on SAS* Right lads, that-a-way!

[an0n]

Originally posted by Su-tehp

As for the 9/11 terrorists, yeah, they used planes in a suicide manuver, but they did it against non-combatant civilians in peacetime (even if the war started right after), and al Qaeda has proclaimed long and long that this was done for political purposes.

~-=™! WTF!?! Firstly: How many of those civillians do you think were reserves or had something to do with the army? Secondly: It's only peacetime till someone attacks. America has been fixing to annihilate the middle-east for years, thus it was a pre-emptive strike. Thirdly: Of course they did it for political reasons, thats why every organization throughout the world does whatever they do, for power, wealth, to make a point and/or recognition. !™=-~

As long as there are Palestinian terrorists killing Israeli civilians, there won't be a Palestinian state. Pure and simple.

~-=™! You say that like you think there'll be one if they stop bombing Israel !™=-~

[vyper]

Hey an0n -

America has been fixing to annihilate the middle-east for years, thus it was a pre-emptive strike.

Dude, where are you from? I hear Shivore is quite nice this time of year!

If the Americans wanted the middle east gone it would be already. Frankly I believe the Americans had only been acting in thier nations interests by intervening when they did in the mid-east, just the same as we would in the UK.

This anti-american nonsense stems from the fact that the rest of the world is being conditioned by a increasingly power-hungry mainland-Europe.

[an0n]

That's just wrong in soooo many ways.

Dude, where are you from? I hear Shivore is quite nice this time of year!

~-=™! UK !™=-~

If the Americans wanted the middle east gone it would be already.

~-=™! Yeah, right: *point towards Afghanistan*. They sure are super-1337 fighters. Look how quick they killed Bin Laden and all his followers......Oh, wait, they ****ed it up and in the process used the fanaticism generated in the US to pass laws like the DMCA and TIPS to help fight the evil terrorists. And now they're turning the US into 1930's Germany. Great job. !™=-~

Frankly I believe the Americans had only been acting in thier nations interests by intervening when they did in the mid-east, just the same as we would in the UK.

~-=™! Evidently not. Unless you class the annihilation of two trade centers and the complete ****ing up of American freedom plusses. And sadly, they don't need to do anything to the UK, Blair is already quite whipped by Bush !™=-~

This anti-american nonsense stems from the fact that the rest of the world is being conditioned by a increasingly power-hungry mainland-Europe.

~-=™! Hahahahahahaha....*ten minutes later*....ahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah, coz Europe invaded Afghanistan to increase their powerbase. And Europe wants to restart old wars in the middle-east after ****ing them up the first time. (for the slower reader: I'm using Europe as a euphamism for America !™=-~

[Tiara]

Originally posted by vyper

This anti-american nonsense stems from the fact that the rest of the world is being conditioned by a increasingly power-hungry mainland-Europe.

Anti-American is racism. I'm no racist but i'm also not Pro-America. And the "power-hungry mainland-Europe" is typical for a power to when the are threatend. AKA America. Europe is only doing this to maintain an equal balance with both Amerca and Japan and to not fall behind and become a unimportant continent.

And didn't America do the same when they were united? They did that to stand stronger against the Europeans so don't come complaining when you've done the same thing.

[elorran]

You go girl

[an0n]

Originally posted by elorran
You go girl

*snaps fingers in a very stereotypical, ethnic and sarcastic way*

[Tiara]

Originally posted by an0n

*snaps fingers in a very stereotypical, ethnic and sarcastic way*

*snaps fingers*

*a big ass bodyguard appears*

*points towards an0n*

*##cencored##*

*bodyguard leaves*

Ok, now back on topic please...

[an0n]

*sobs*
He grabbed me.......everywhere.
*sobs*

[vyper]

Originally posted by Tiara


Anti-American is racism. I'm no racist but i'm also not Pro-America. And the "power-hungry mainland-Europe" is typical for a power to when the are threatend. AKA America. Europe is only doing this to maintain an equal balance with both Amerca and Japan and to not fall behind and become a unimportant continent.

And didn't America do the same when they were united? They did that to stand stronger against the Europeans so don't come complaining when you've done the same thing.

First, I resent the "you've" part. I ain't American and I ain't European, I'm British and damned proud of it.

Second, Europe isn't just trying to keep up its status, but is actively trying to become a rival *NATION* to the US. Almost every major has European politician has been announcing it from every rooftop. Except in Britain, because our politicians know we'd never stand for it (which is why they're trying to get it in through the back door).

I know the American's were a pretty big thorn in our side at one time, but then again, as a Brit I can say that about almost anyone in the world!

Like I said a while ago, Countries exist to protect thier people, the interests of the British people are best served by being allies with America in the face of the current world climate. As they would say: United we stand....

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I don't see America as a great saviour or anything. Hell, why should I? I already live in the best country in the world. I just believe they are valuable allies and should be given a fair chance.

Now, to an0ns other points:

And now they're turning the US into 1930's Germany

Yes I agree the Americans are suffering from grade 1 paranoia, especially with this whole civilian-spy thing.

~-=™! Evidently not. Unless you class the annihilation of two trade centers and the complete ****ing up of American freedom plusses. And sadly, they don't need to do anything to the UK, Blair is already quite whipped by Bush !™=-~

Now, just because someone might hit you (I refer to 9/11) does that mean you should just hide under the bed at home? Thats cowardice. I agree Blair should be a tad more forthright and stand up to Bush more, but then again its not like he does it with anyone else.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by vyper


First, I resent the "you've" part. I ain't American and I ain't European, I'm British and damned proud of it.

I apologize...

Second, Europe isn't just trying to keep up its status, but is actively trying to become a rival *NATION* to the US. Almost every major has European politician has been announcing it from every rooftop. Except in Britain, because our politicians know we'd never stand for it (which is why they're trying to get it in through the back door).

To keep up its status is exactly what I mean. That is the same thing as becoming a rival nation.

I know the American's were a pretty big thorn in our side at one time, but then again, as a Brit I can say that about almost anyone in the world!

You make it sound as if Brittain is the #1 country in world (to me you do anyway).

Like I said a while ago, Countries exist to protect thier people, the interests of the British people are best served by being allies with America in the face of the current world climate. As they would say: United we stand....

United Europe : United we stand... Thus having the same ground rule as you.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I don't see America as a great saviour or anything. Hell, why should I? I already live in the best country in the world. I just believe they are valuable allies and should be given a fair chance.

Again you make it sound as if Brittain is the #1 country in world (to me you do anyway). Allies are valuable. That is exactly why we strive to be one. To go walk hand in hand instead of argueing all the time on what to do.

[vyper]

Again you make it sound as if Brittain is the #1 country in world

It is.

#Land of Hope and Glory, mother of the free.....

*is in very patriotic mood for some reason*

edit: Anyway, how the hell did this thread get so OT? Probably my fault... but still...

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by vyper
This anti-american nonsense stems from the fact that the rest of the world is being conditioned by a increasingly power-hungry mainland-Europe.

Uh no, I think most of this "Anti American Nonsense" is a reaction to the imposition of American Culture upon the rest of the world through television, clothing, food etc.(noth that it's entirely their fault). Invasive big businesses like exxon Mobil, fast food, Media Conglomerates etc. Political blackmail through organizations like the WIPO and WTO that are seeking to "persuade" foregn contries to alter their laws so they're in America's (aka. American Big Business's) interests.


I am thouroughly repulsed the plutocratic and corrupt politics of America (which has nothing to do with American people, they're run to line the pockets of the rich), which we seem to be adopting more and more, virtually undoing all the positive changes 40 - 50 years of socialism gave us.