[TrashMan]

Says the guy on a personal crusade against a game he hasn't played.

Calling out s*** practices and degradation of RPG's is now a crusade?
If that's the case, I've been crusading for a long time.

Dunno, it's not worth 80$ to me, so I haven't played it.  But neither have you

And you would know that how exactly?

But if I was to venture an educated guess (judging by the comments made of Scotty, Ralwood, and Hades on IRC), I'd say "because it's fun."  Radical concept, I know.

You do realize people can have fun with s***?
Gimme a few beers and a few friends and the worst movie or game ever made, and I'm going to laugh the whole night. That won't make it a good game/movie. Or at the very least, not a good entry in the genre.

And your ****ty taste in game is pertinent when discussing your opinion of this one.  Again, maybe in the future you should try not having ****ty opinions.  Might help with your credibility.

 I know "your waifu is ****, your game is ****, etc.." is common on imageboards, but it doesn't have the same flair on forums.
I'm not telling you you're wrong for liking it (or having **** taste).
I'm telling you you're wrong when you're calling it a great RPG. Because it's not.

[The E]

Can we please get away from this childish "You like something I don't, you suck" bull**** this thread has devolved into?

However much you might disagree with Trashman, he does have valid criticisms (Because "this game isn't what I hoped it would be" is entirely valid); he does have the right to voice that opinion.

That said, Trashman, you do not have the right to tell people they're having wrongfun. You do not get to dictate what is enjoyable and what isn't, and that means you do not get to troll this topic the way you are doing right now.

[Aesaar]

EDIT: You know what, **** it.  The_E's right.  Arguing with you is beneath me.

[NGTM-1R]

However much you might disagree with Trashman, he does have valid criticisms (Because "this game isn't what I hoped it would be" is entirely valid); he does have the right to voice that opinion.

However I don't think he has a right for "valid criticisms" consideration when talking about the lack of a perk system, or infinite ammo, or any of the other arguments about the game mechanics that people who have actually played the game have said are wrong.

And given that, his manifest ignorance of mechanics of the game, a statement like "this game is not what I expected" must lose some credibility. Forming an opinion from false and incomplete facts does not necessarily mean it is invalid, but it certainly makes it more likely.

[The E]

Sure. And his refusal to engage with those arguments is why I am calling what he's doing trolling.

[TrashMan]

That said, Trashman, you do not have the right to tell people they're having wrongfun. You do not get to dictate what is enjoyable and what isn't, and that means you do not get to troll this topic the way you are doing right now.

Where did I say that?
I SPECIFICALLY said one can have fun or find enjoyment in anything, and it's OK.
FFS, I adore The Room, yet it's one of the worst movies ever made!

However I don't think he has a right for "valid criticisms" consideration when talking about the lack of a perk system, or infinite ammo, or any of the other arguments about the game mechanics that people who have actually played the game have said are wrong.

The new perk system is s***, that's non-debatable. So little depth to it, so little sense.
Skill system IS gone
Infinite ammo should have been infinite ammo capacity, my bad.

What else? You seem to happily ignore every argument where I am right.

And given that, his manifest ignorance of mechanics of the game, a statement like "this game is not what I expected" must lose some credibility. Forming an opinion from false and incomplete facts does not necessarily mean it is invalid, but it certainly makes it more likely.

This game sells itself as a RPG. So I judge it as such. And it fails as a RPG on all fronts.
It might be a decent shooter, and if you like it because of it, fine.

But it seems as if you display a staggering ignorance of what a RPG is or is supposed to be.
But go ahead, try to prove me wrong. Demonstrate to me how this is a better RPG game than it's predecessors. I'll wait.

[AtomicClucker]

Meh, Fallout4 is pretty much a shallow RPG by usual Bethsoft standards.

It's an action game. But Trashman, enjoy charging at windmills. The game has its faults, it has its boons, but at least realize your charging off a rail here. Call it a polished turd if you so desire but realize people will give you plenty of shrugs or raise eyebrows.

I'm not singing it praises and plan to get it after the GOTY edition is released - pretty much a more pretty version of Fallout 3. For me the hype quickly evaporated after watching numerous streams.

[headdie]

ohhh look, trashman is out of monkey

[Lorric]

Check out the Metacritic score on this one

85 compared to New Vegas's 84? Sounds fine to me.

He's talking about the user score which is just 5.3.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/user-reviews

New Vegas' user score is 8.5.

[Scotty]

The new perk system is s***, that's non-debatable. So little depth to it, so little sense.
Skill system IS gone

It has roughly a hundred times more depth than any other Fallout Perk system, by sheer virtue of having multiple levels of perks and the hilarious ways some perks can interact (for example, Ricochet and Bloody Mess at their highest levels) (and also have no fewer than 229 perks), and enhanced by being available to any character right off the bat as long as you pay for it (in SPECIALs).  If I want Grim Reaper Sprint at 2nd level, I can do it.  It makes a character's progression up to the player, prioritizing things that enhance personal playstyles.  Just like your precious skills used to.  The skill system being gone is a positive thing, much like getting rid of skill points in D&D 5th edition.

[AdmiralRalwood]

The new perk system is s***, that's non-debatable.

Whoops, looks like people are debating it. So much for that.

This game sells itself as a RPG. So I judge it as such. And it fails as a RPG on all fronts.
It might be a decent shooter, and if you like it because of it, fine.

But it seems as if you display a staggering ignorance of what a RPG is or is supposed to be.
But go ahead, try to prove me wrong. Demonstrate to me how this is a better RPG game than it's predecessors. I'll wait.

How about you define what you think an RPG is before we start playing the No True RPG game?

What else? You seem to happily ignore every argument where I am right.

I just ignore you when you talk about the plot because I haven't finished it.

Spoiler:

I'm still waiting for you to explain how you can craft legendary weapons.

EDIT:

Check out the Metacritic score on this one

85 compared to New Vegas's 84? Sounds fine to me.

He's talking about the user score which is just 5.3.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/user-reviews

New Vegas' user score is 8.5.

Hmm... 5.3 based on 4734 ratings.

Whereas the Steam page is 80% positive based on 29,538 user reviews.

That says something, all right; probably the uselessness of looking at averaged review scores from large populations.

[Grizzly]

A short reminder on userscores:

[karajorma]

ohhh look, trashman is out of monkey

Was. Was out of monkey. He's got another week off for his complete inability to leave this alone.


@Trashman, you don't like Fallout 4. You didn't like it before you'd even played it. We get it. Stop making **** up to convince us we shouldn't like it too. And I speak as someone who hasn't played the game and probably won't for years but it is completely obvious that you've decided you don't like the game and are willing to make up reasons why rather than commenting on actual things you didn't like. That's simply not acceptable and you're banned for it.