[Stealth]

POST YOUR STARCRAFT/REPLAYS HERE, so we can learn from your mistakes (if you suck) or learn from your experience (vadar_1, etc.... if you're good)


I have this... it's me vs. 6 computers, but AI is acting really weird.  This is not the first time it's happened, most time when you play 1v6 computers they rush you constantly and you die soon... i trie d my luck a few times, and this time none of them attacked except for like once, by one of the six teams!  Check it out:

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explain this someone?

[demon442]

AI errors or something, happens to me sometimes...

my comp is fux0red so no games other than fs2 will work(my registry was replaced by the factory original somehow...).

[beatspete]

How do you beat against 6 computer teams?! As terran you could hold them off maybee with bunkers and seige tanks, zerg could help their hydralisks with dark swarms, and protoss could use storms... but offensivly? All the mineral spots would be occupied nearly instantly, and to attack just one team might leave you with a weakend defense the other 6 will take advantage of.

[WMCoolmon]

Someone beat 7

[Knight Templar]

heh i suck hard, i only strive when i play BGH or a Money map as protoss, i might be lucky if i could take 3 - 4 comps on my own

[Stealth]

i can beat up to 5 computers being Terran or Zerg, but it's best to use Protoss, because they have the most powerful units...

you also have to learn to wall.  Terrans are the best at walling with supply depots and bunkers, but if one supply depot goes you're busted, cause you'll be overwhelmed.  Zerg you can do if you use sheer force by numbers (dozens of sunkens)... but protoss, if you have a wall of, say, two gateways, and right behind that have 5 or 6 rows of photons, start pumping out zealots, and make them stand right in front of the gateways...


PHOTONS  | GATEWAYS | ZEALOTS

When the enemy attacks, they attack the zealots (the closest to them), and while they're attacking the zealots, the photons are 0wning them!

While this is going on, build a dozen or so stargates, and start pumping out carriers (yes, carriers are the easiest way to beat computers lol)... if you don't like carriers, (i don't) then build gateways and robotics factories, and pump out reavers (upgrade them completely) and dark templars.  Also build lots of shuttles, and just fly 2 dozen shuttles in the base, unload all, etc.

The replay in my first post is simply building faster than the computers do, but i've taken on 7 computers before as protoss.

(the replay in my 1st post doesn't count, cause the computers never attacked me )  i'll play a game this evening of me vs. 7 comps and post the replay here

[Flying Flame]

Hello everyone, fellow fans, I'm new around here...

Um, yeah.  Just saying Hi.

Are there any girls here, or am I the only one? (I'm a girl)



~ Flying Flame

[beatspete]

Tiara (spelling>?) is a girl... new here recently too.

Anyway....
Why do people assume that protoss are best because they have the strongest units?  They cost more and are slow to build.  Sure they have some useful technology like sheilds and construction techniques.  But i find they're defense quite useless.  Seige tanks and bunkers are much stronger anyday.  And the zerg (imho) have the 1 of the best units of the game, zerglings.  A fully upgraded zergling has 8 attack, 35 hitpoints, 3 armour, and attacks about 3.5 times a second.  3 of them can destroy a lone photon cannon and you still have 1 left over.  Add the fact that they can burrow (making them deadly for suprising seige tanks) and they only cost 25 minerals.
I don't like protoss.

[Knight Templar]

*Flying Flame dials HLP*

*ring* *ring*

"HLPBB, Knight Templar Speaking"

"oooo this one's a lady "


um lets see tiara and borealis (sp?) are the only chicks i can think of.... god help me if i am wrong.

by the way,  WELCOME TO HLPBB

[Knight Templar]

Imho the protoss are easiest to get good at for newbies, probably the "comfort" of 65 photon cannons around your base, but i find them to be boring after a while. everytime i play protoss, it's either a race to build 36 carriers or a 48 Dragoon rush.. they are a lil' funner to play with BW (Dark Templars) but the basic toss' strategy is beating the crap out of whoever with high priced units.... unless you are an experianced player, it takes at least 20 minutes to get something good enough en masse to win. (unless you zealot rush)

i think its overall funner to play as terran or zerg. Zerg you can piss people off in the first 5 min if u want to and terrans are fun to play dropping 48 marines and 6 battle cruisers in ones base only to launch 3 nukes at the other undefended end.

[Stealth]

actually protoss is supposed to be the 2nd hardest to play!

I learned to play Terran first, then Zerg, then Protoss.  

Remember that upgraded zerglings only come out near the end of the game... because you have to have a queen's nest, upgraded hatchery --> HIVE, etc.

[Corhellion]

No way man, if you're protoss against say...2 Terran, 3 Zergs and 1 toss, you're fubared, EXTREMELY!, here's how:

If you build cannons for defence, you can hold them all off for like...10-15 minutes, but you HAVE to upgrade and get zealots, or else terran will get their Siege tanks, and they can fire farther then your cannons, if your defence is gone then the toss and zerg will kill ya in less then 2 mins.

and I'll get a reply of all replays.

Cor

[Knight Templar]

tru corhellion, tru

and stealthy i just meant like they, well for me, were easiest being a newbie. That 10 - 15 minutes really does it for us newbs and the sheilds make the toss' "better than the other species" hehe. i think the hardest to play effectively is the terrans. Only newbies or people who know what they are doing usually play as terrans. at least thats what i've seen. Most new players are attracked by the awe inspiring nukes that they never get a chance to build up to cuz' they're gone in the first 20 min. The more experianced people i've played use the terrans versatility and beat the crap out of me w/ seige tanks and battle cruisers in the first 20 min or so.

anyways, when i think of something else "smart" to say, i'll let y'all know

[Stealth]

Corhellion:  One thing I've noticed about Starcraft and Broodwar differences, is that in Starcraft AI is much more intelligent!  If they don't get through your defense of sunkens, bunkers, or photons, they send siege tanks, but they do it JUST out of range of your defense, and thus they wipe your defense out!

In Broodwar, they throw regular tanks at you, but they never change to 'siege mode'... they just roll right into range and get 0wned by your defense!  This is really interesting, but I am more familiar with Starcraft than Broodwar (Broodwar 1v7comps is much easier)... in Starcraft, they after about 5 minutes, will send siege tanks after your defense.  That's why i said WALL, with Gateways!

(See two posts previous)

that way if anything comes that is out of range of the cannons, (siege tanks, reavers, etc.)  you send your team of zealots that are waiting there out!  They kill mercilessly, and any tank with 2 zealots on it is dead within 5 or 6 seconds!  Zealots also come in handy when you have mass attacks (this happens in Starcraft and Broodwar)... for instance, you have a massive attack, then a break for about 2 or 3 minutes... then they send another wave of all they have at you, but all 7 teams cooperate together, and so you have 7 team's armies against your defense, lol... this gets interesting eventually, lol

I also discovered that if you play a game online with just yourself, no other players, and you save it... then later resume the game... it doens't let you "SAVE REPLAY"... (i might be wrong, but in all the times i've tried it doesn't work)... so that means i have to play an hour and a half game all the way through, which sucks!

I'm going to start now... I'll put all teams, including myself, on 'RANDOM'...  no wait, i'll put all teams on 'RANDOM' except myself:  I'll be Protoss...

MY DEFINITION OF STARCRAFT/BROODWAR SPECIES:

Zerg - Cheap, rely on attacks in number
Terran - Best defense, should be used in number too, but not as many as Zerg.
Protoss - Most powerful offense, much more expensive units.



It's clear that protoss is the most powerful, yet I still believe that protoss takes the most talent to play (along with Zerg)... because with Terran their defense is so strong, and it's so "USER-FRIENDLY" (you can build anywhere you want, etc.)... i dunno, that's just my opinion lol

If anyone's online right now, then message me, we can play a game (Broodwar, US EAST server, name:  Stealth_Space)

Peace out!

~Stealth~

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Corhellion
No way man, if you're protoss against say...2 Terran, 3 Zergs and 1 toss, you're fubared, EXTREMELY!, here's how:

If you build cannons for defence, you can hold them all off for like...10-15 minutes, but you HAVE to upgrade and get zealots, or else terran will get their Siege tanks, and they can fire farther then your cannons, if your defence is gone then the toss and zerg will kill ya in less then 2 mins.

lol, OK man, here's what I'll do:

I'm going to play a game, and i'll save the replay... the teams i'll set to be:

ME:  Protoss
COMP 1: Terran
COMP 1: Terran
COMP 1: Protoss
COMP 1: Zerg
COMP 1: Zerg
COMP 1: Zerg
COMP 1: Since you didn't tell me what to put this computer on, I'll leave it on Random!



Oh, and you said you "have" to upgrade and get Zealots...
in reply:

1)  You don't have to upgrade anything to get zealots
2)  That's exactly what i said in the post right before yours


Be back in about 1-2 hours to post the replay, i'm off to prove a point

[Knight Templar]

hehe i'm thinkin' he meant upgrade the zealots, although i could be wrong

[Stealth]

yeah, he probably meant to upgrade the zealots, but he's still wrong...

You see, siege tanks can't hit targets that are too close to them, and since Zealots attack on a hands-on basis, the siege tanks won't be able to reach them to attach, they just sit and do nothing while the zealots tear them apart!  Occasionally they try to change back into regular tank mode, but that's about a 5 second procedure, (before they can attack at short range as a regular tank) and by that time the zealots have killed it...


...so you see!


OK Corhellion and anyone else who's not a believer, just finished this mission.  Alright, I have to admit this was the SECOND time I tried  The first time I had it, and was relying on carriers to help my photons with defense, but as they arrived (no interceptors yet) they all broke in, and i died

the second time i was blessed with being placed on the y axis  (x and y axis (i.e.:  up, down, left, right) are the best for defense in my opinion... the diagonals (top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right) aren't that good) and my defense quickly started growing.  

To view the replay, click here

Here's like I said i'd set it up (my previous post):


I realize that I could lie and put that information (teams), then take a screenshot, then change the teams, then play with different teams, but that really wouldn't make sense, since in the replay you can see what teams i had.  (i still don't know what the "random" team turned out to be, but I suspect protoss... not sure though)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

TUTORIAL:  PROTOSS BASE DEFENSE

You'll notice the order in which my photons are placed as my main defense of my base.

There's a method to all that madness... they're not placed in some random manner.  You'll notice they form a 'semi-circle'... the center being where the gateways are (entrance to the base)



(also note that I have a few zealots waiting for siege tanks, reavers, and any other long-distance weapons)... computer AI are stupid... if something is attacking them (photon cannon for example) and they cannot find a way to get to it, they will just stand there and perhaps move around a bit, while whatever is attacking it 0wns them...



you can see, i have my gateways in the entrance to my base, and only small units (zerglings, zealots, etc.) can move through... i have 2 and a half dozen cannons (or so) right behind the 'wall' (gateways)... and they can only come in between the gateways or either side:  making three entrances to my base.  While they try to come in, the cannons destroy them... cause they have about 2 seconds to get through the 'alley' between the gateways, and during that time 2 dozen cannons are shooting at them.  By the time they get through and start attacking, they're mostly dead.

Eventually they will start attacking the gateways (eventually)... now if they get through the gateways, they attack the closest thing attacking them...  therefore they destroy 'layers' of the circle... if you know what i mean... the semi-circle is made of many 'little' semi-circles...  they destroy the inner-layer, and there's another layer...

circles have the biggest surface area of all shapes, so there's more cannons, and always at least 1 or 2 'layers' of semi-circles, as can be seen in the above picture.

get it?

hope you believe me i can take on 7 computers now Corhellion, especially since i stuck to the regulations you layed out and exceeded them (i.e.:  added another computer on 'random')

heh

~Stealth~

EDIT:  Was doing IMG tags HTML style

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Corhellion
No way man, if you're protoss against say...2 Terran, 3 Zergs and 1 toss, you're fubared, EXTREMELY!, here's how:

If you build cannons for defence, you can hold them all off for like...10-15 minutes, but you HAVE to upgrade and get zealots, or else terran will get their Siege tanks, and they can fire farther then your cannons, if your defence is gone then the toss and zerg will kill ya in less then 2 mins.

and I'll get a reply of all replays.

Cor

*evidence*

[Kitsune]

One of the big keys to playing protoss that I've found.
Build as normal but...
Build a citadel of adun
Build a robotics factory.  
Build templar archieves
Research mind control
Make 2 dark templars and merge to a dark archon.
Make one shuttle.
Find a terran scv somewhere.

Send along a regular archon as a distraction if you can afford it.

Kidnap it, build a command center, barracks, academy.
Make Medics.
Medics can heal zealots and dark templar (And zerg too I think) even though scv's can't repair mechanical units or buildings.

This is actually a way to save resources, not a rush thing unless you cheat and start off with more than average resources somehow.  (or you could cheat and grab extra resources via the "show me the money" or other cheats.)

This way you can have any injured troopers come back to base and get healed and shielded in time for the next wave.

[Stealth]

i never knew medics could repair other species on the same team!