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NATION: Maximum Brexit (GB)
9 (14.8%)
NATION: Sleeping Giant (USA)
6 (9.8%)
NATION: Flying Ferraris (ITALY)
10 (16.4%)
NATION: USSSSSSSSR (RUSSIA)
8 (13.1%)
NATION: Zero to Hero (JAPAN)
2 (3.3%)
NATION: Mirage de Baguette (FRANCE)
6 (9.8%)
GAMEPLAY: Let's play format (traditional)
9 (14.8%)
GAMEPLAY: Collaborative format (details TBD)
11 (18%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: April 25, 2019, 04:30:47 pm

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Offline Colonol Dekker

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I'd counter urge anyone to vote for the Lion ;)
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Well, the people have spoken (if we ignore Dekker's blatant collusion with Italian hackers to affect the poll against the interests of the British Admiralty)

A collaborative game as the Spaghettis it is.

=====GAME PREPARATION=====

I see that there are 11 people who voted for a collaborative format. I, therefore, think it is reasonable to expect at least 4 of you to volunteer as Industrialists /shipbuilders and 2 as Admirals (more participations are, of course, welcome)

If you are planning to buy the game (if you are, please keep in mind the DRM discussion that has recently been raging across the NWS forums -TLDR: RTW2 will be DRM locked to 2 instances per licence with the ability to migrate), then I propose you participate as shipbuilders. However, owning the game is *not* a prerequisite for joining as a shipbuilder - as I said before, I will be willing to accept submissions as drawings, stat blocks, descriptions, etc.

I expect each shipbuilder and admiral to not shirk away from roleplaying (I expect you to *sell* me your ships, not just post a file and call it a day) and I would like each shipbuilder to post a short blurb on this thread with the name of their firm, the name and description of their representative/president/player character and a short blurb based on the history of their firm and what they specialise in (no more than 500 words total).*  Likewise, I'd like the Admirals (who will be assisting me in judging and accepting the designs) to submit character names and a short blurb with their strategic thesis.**

Remember, we will be doing a FULL playthrough, from 1899 onwards. Keep that in mind when planning. Also remember that this will be a game of high-stakes funding and weapons manufacture IN EARLY 20TH CENTURY ITALY, with all that this implies for corruption, back door dealings, lobbying and overall shenanigans.***

You have been warned.

*This will affect the game.
** This will definitely affect the game
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« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 07:29:00 am by Enioch »
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(reading through that forum; lol if they think that DRM of theirs won't get cracked by some random russian guy within the month, why can't they just be sensible and put the game on steam instead of selling it through their windows 3.1 website)

I voted for the hasta la pasta's (and the USSR) and the Let's play format. But I must admit, that submitting terrible ship designs and lobbying for them sounds like a lotta fun. But I must also admit that my regia marina knowledge is very lacking. Gotta do some reading up...
Are you aiming for a semi-realistic/historical italy or is this going into full alternative history territory?


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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
(reading through that forum; lol if they think that DRM of theirs won't get cracked by some random russian guy within the month, why can't they just be sensible and put the game on steam instead of selling it through their windows 3.1 website)

Because they are adamantly opposed to involving a third party in their distribution and want these new-fangled Steam people to get off their lawn. Also because they are experienced and want to protect their product and they cannot reveal all the reasons because...reasons.

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Are you aiming for a semi-realistic/historical italy or is this going into full alternative history territory?

I wouldn't mind keeping it somewhat realistic, but you all know I can rarely avoic going full retard Alternate History with a sprinkling of weeb.
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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
IN EARLY 20TH CENTURY ITALY, with all that this implies for corruption, back door dealings, lobbying and overall shenanigans.

"overall shenanigans" may include "historically established economic north-south divide", I guess :P
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I think the Italian characteristics speak for themselves.

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>Some corruption

Italian shipyards with their own best interests in mind:
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Oh, my darling Spoon, isn't the opposite the truth. :D

The labour required to bring forth purity from corrupt material is the measure of great mind.

That goes also for you, Enioch. :yes:

/act
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 06:35:32 pm by 0rph3u5 »
"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

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What would the role of an Admiral be?
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As envisioned right now, they would:

1. Set the required specs for new contracts, in a committee with me.
2. Judge and accept proposals from the shipbuilders
3. Set overarchig strategic policy.
4. Accept bribes
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welll


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A reputation for that might serve you well  ;)
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Having done some reading on the Regia Marina, I would like to apply for the role of Vice Admiral Felice Napoleono Canevaro, commander of First Division, First Naval Squadron.
It is my firm belief that a modern navy is a fast and hard-hitting one; By striking faster and harder than our opponents, we can overcome them even if they are numerically or technologically superior. We are, at this point in time, on the cusp of a major revolution in naval technology; if we can capitalize on that, modernize our fleet and our tactics faster than our opponents can, we can secure the mediterranean and our african holdings for the foreseeable future, maybe even gain ground in other parts of the world.

OT note: The real Canevaro was, based on his Wiki entry, a gifted leader and a bit of a diplomat; as first commander of the International Squadron, he managed to get forces from Austria-Hungary, France, the German Empire, the Kingdom of Italy, the Russian Empire and the United Kingdom to work together. His successes there led to him being drafted as minister of foreign affairs, a role in which he was ... less than stellar; diplomats not being sailors. He seems to have been a committed internationalist, arguing to uphold Italy's treaties with Austria-Hungary and Germany and working behind the scenes to improve relations with France.
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Sign me up as shipwright...
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Sign me up as shipwright...

I would like each shipbuilder to post a short blurb on this thread with the name of their firm, the name and description of their representative/president/player character and a short blurb based on the history of their firm and what they specialise in (no more than 500 words total).

Insufficient data, please resubmit form.
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I don't see any italian shipyard applications yet, but I figured it might be fun to have some foreign competition too. Here's a submission for a legacy fleet B.

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'Short, balding, stout and middle-aged. Alexander Mason, despite appearances, was both a competent engineer and salesman. Negotiating a couple of successful deals with foreign powers, utilizing his silver tongue and his knowledge of the internal workings of the ships, to deliver a good sales pitch.
This time around, Vickers had put him in charge of trying to sell a battleship design to the Italians. Not exactly their most regular of customers. And it felt to Alexander that he had to start the negotiations with one hand tied behind his back... Because this design had some... issues.
He glanced over the blueprint again and again, how was he going to spin this?



Vickers had invested heavily in developing these large 13 inch guns (A feat that only the French had managed to match them in, so far), and they were eager to recoup the costs of this investment. Upon testing, however, The quality of these rifles had revealed them to be... how do we put this nicely... Not great. The larger bursting charge of the 13 inch HE shell is powerful, but at 13''/35, these guns are acting more like large howitzers rather than proper naval guns. Firing AP shells out of them has little chance of defeating any kind of decent belt armor.
The design has other glaring issues, the crew quarters are cramped and poorly ventilated, stability in heavy weather is dicey at best and the armored belt, while thick, had to be narrowed somewhat to accomendate the torpedo tubes. Speaking of which, the entire design seemed designed mostly to wade into the Habsburg fleet and slug it out at pointblank, torpedo, range.
While the Italians do have a reputation to be a bit hotheaded at times, they would need to find a brave captain indeed to make this ship design shine in combat.

Alexander wiped the sweat off his brow with a handkerchief, his boat to Italy departs tomorrow, he would be as ready as he could be.'
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I was about to say 'how the hell did he manage to fit 13'' guns and 13 inches of belt on a legacy desi-'

-oh.

Oh
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I'm not planning on ever submitting good designs :V
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Keep in mind that if relations with the UK ever sour, it will be impossible to order ships from their shipyards. Which is why I would readily accept this as a legacy submission, but I would not encourage players to be avatars of foreign shipyards
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