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Offline Sandwich

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Did I miss something?
Just peeked at the intel anims again, and I think :v: made a boo-boo with the intel_earth.ani one - it depicts the Lucifer half-emerging from subspace and exploding - in Delta Serpentis!
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Just peeked at the intel anims again, and I think :v: made a boo-boo with the intel_earth.ani one - it depicts the Lucifer half-emerging from subspace and exploding - in Delta Serpentis!


Wot?
Which vp file is that in and I'll go inspect further?
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your quite right. thats really odd:confused:

 

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Yeah I noticed that...I think they goofed or something :D
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Offline aldo_14

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Maybe it's to illustrate that the Lucifer's destruction cut of fDelta Serpentis' access to Earth or summat......

 

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How did the GTVA get the footage of the Lucifer exploding anyway?
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Very carefully :D
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How did the GTVA get the footage of the Lucifer exploding anyway?


Maybe the GTVA digitally reconstructed what they believed to happen.

 

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Maybe the GTVA digitally reconstructed what they believed to happen.


Bah! Nonsense! How the heck could they possibly "digitally reconstruct" something so cataclysmic? The very idea is ridiculous, it's absurd! You can't do that type of stuff!


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Sol is a whole 4.2 lightyears from Alpha Centauri, if Sol broadcast the thing, it would take a number of years to reach Alpha Centauri but it would still get there before FS2

 
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Sol is a whole 4.2 lightyears from Alpha Centauri, if Sol broadcast the thing, it would take a number of years to reach Alpha Centauri  


Though havent we already established that they must communicate through subspace?  I'm not sure its written anywhere, but it seems rediculous not to.  Would Sol or the rest of the GTVA know how to pick up each others transmissions?  Sure, a radio telescope, but what frequency do you use? Unless there's one already established as the frequency, which makes us wonder why the GTVA didnt jsut radio earth.

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Though havent we already established that they must communicate through subspace?  I'm not sure its written anywhere, but it seems rediculous not to.  Would Sol or the rest of the GTVA know how to pick up each others transmissions?  Sure, a radio telescope, but what frequency do you use? Unless there's one already established as the frequency, which makes us wonder why the GTVA didnt jsut radio earth.


You would use a frequency close to the 21cm hydrogen band. That's where SETI is looking now (mainly) and it's therefore a good choice for communication between Earth and Alpha Centuri. As for why Earth and the GTVA haven`t established contact. Who knows? There is a story there certainly. :)
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Well, if they use subspace, they probably relay them through the nodes, as they are the links between systems.  If the Node to Earth was destroyed, they can't send no subspace message through it.  And a conventional means would take a while.
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Originally posted by Sandwich


Bah! Nonsense! How the heck could they possibly "digitally reconstruct" something so cataclysmic? The very idea is ridiculous, it's absurd! You can't do that type of stuff!


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No it isn't.  TLC and discovery channels do it all the time.
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So do most movies these days - and FreeSpace itself! :D
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Offline aldo_14

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Bah...it's not a correct reconstruction, anyway.  The Lucifer doesn't have any debris.  Look at the pof. :p

 

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None of the ships have enough debris anyway! :D
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Originally posted by beatspete


Though havent we already established that they must communicate through subspace?  I'm not sure its written anywhere, but it seems rediculous not to.  Would Sol or the rest of the GTVA know how to pick up each others transmissions?  Sure, a radio telescope, but what frequency do you use? Unless there's one already established as the frequency, which makes us wonder why the GTVA didnt jsut radio earth.


Yeah, that was a thread from a good number of months - maybe even a year or so ago. Basically, the canon is that:

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  • As of FS2, the GTVA has not succeeded in contacting Sol - fact.
  • Frequency issues would not be any sort of problem whatsoever - it doesn't take all that much to monitor all the possible frequencies (relative to the resources the GTVA and Sol have at their disposal). Therefore, since we can assume with 100% certainty that they did try to contact each other using non-subspace methods, we must conclude that there is some sort of interference preventing non-subspace communications from successfully reaching from Sol to Alpha Centauri or vice versa.

However, since ~33 (?) years have passed since contact was lost with Sol, we can assume that non-subspace contact with Sol is impossible from _any_ system within a ~16.5 (33 / 2 = 16.5, the time it would take for a message to be recieved, replied to and for the reply to be recieved) lightyear radius, since surely all alternatives would have been tried by the GTVA.

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No it isn't.  TLC and discovery channels do it all the time.


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So do most movies these days - and FreeSpace itself! :D



Forgive me for not including the SARCASM TAG in my post, but I thought that the very act of us discussing a video file created by 20th century artists using 20th century computers would have been enough to make clear my sarcasm. Evidently not. :doubt:

Heck, I even included that wink smiley for good measure! :wink:
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