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Offline Rhymes

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No but see you don't understand unless they constantly worship at the altar of Our Lord and Savior Donald John Trump they're not really people so their deaths don't count
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if they are leftist.

Any credibility you might have at all just evaporated with these four words.  This has nothing to do with political ideology.  By EVERY OBJECTIVE MEASURE, the American federal government has failed in its response to this pandemic and made the situation in the United States far worse than it needed to be.  The United States had the highest pandemic preparedness rating in the world going into this, and has fared demonstrably worse than every other first-world democracy whose data we can trust.  It might actually be doing worse than China, which you keep harping on, although for obvious reasons the Chinese data is untrustworthy.

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Everyone else is stuck in an echo chamber, says person whose primary source of news on the coronavirus is an alt-right youtuber.

When you think about it aren't we still picking up echoes of the Big Bang?? Which just proves reality is the biggest echo chamber of them all???
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It might actually be doing worse than China, which you keep harping on, although for obvious reasons the Chinese data is untrustworthy.

Even though Chinese data might be untrustworthy, we also have other sources. The WHO states in today's Situation Report (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200407-sitrep-78-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=bc43e1b_2) that there are 83k cases in China. China says it's about 81k. It's close enough to be a statistical error.
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Everyone else is stuck in an echo chamber, says person whose primary source of news on the coronavirus is an alt-right youtuber.

Yeah, I finally looked this guy up because some alt-right jackass has been spamming his **** for weeks on another forum I visit, and goddamn he's a piece of ****.

Getting myself banned from the DBB for the last three-ish years was probably a blessing in disguise.

 
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I feel more than a little bit churlish and selfish for wanting to post this here, especially since a lot more people are presently at a lot more risk than I am at the moment, but I just got back my covid test results yesterday. Thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it was negative. So as of last Friday, I don't have the coronavirus.

My problem now is, after having taken two weeks off from working at the supermarket to recover from what turned out to be a common cold (not even the flu because I also tested negative for influenza), I have to decide if I want/need to go back to what is essentially the frontlines of this outbreak. I always appreciated it when customers thanked me for working at the supermarket during this crisis, but their thanks won't be of much comfort if I get sick and die just by going to work.
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Bad news from Slovakia: over past few days the government implemented targeted testing of gypsy settlements and ghettos. There are over a thousand of these settlements in our country. As they have bad hygienic conditions, the risk of infection spread for Corona (basic reproduction number) R0 is estimated to be over 10, compared to 2-3 for general population. They also often tend to travel to western Europe for low paying work, which is another risk factor.

Testing first 30 of these settlements uncovered 5 of them have over 30 infected in total, and also first cases of possible community spread. These five settlements are now in quarantine. Extrapolating on all thousand settlements, we may have 1000+ cases that we don't yet know about, and spreading like fire.

Due to the nature of this pandemic, i.e. spread by international flights from Wuhan, we were "lucky" that it hit higher classes and wealthier countries first, which have the means to somewhat deal with it and slow the spread. This luck now seems to be running out...
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Trump promotes the use of hydroxychloroquine

Trump owns stock in companies that make it.

Is anyone even the slightest bit surprised?
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****ing hell, more people are now dying in the US daily then people in other countries have died in total.

 

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****ing hell, more people are now dying in the US daily then people in other countries have died in total.

Take that, world. We're number one!
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Offline starlord

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Amazingly though, trump chooses to blame the WHO (you know the single entity that eradicated smallpox in 81) and threatens to withdraw support.

 

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AmazinglyPredictably though, trump chooses to blame the WHO (you know the single entity that eradicated smallpox in 81) and threatens to withdraw support.

Fixed that for you.
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Offline starlord

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I suppose, even though the stupidity behind that move is baffling.

 

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****ing hell, more people are now dying in the US daily then people in other countries have died in total.

There are only 10 countries in the entire world that have had more deaths in total than the UK had on Wednesday alone. It's almost like electing a complete ****ing moron has repercussions.
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Some good video on chloroquine because it's revelant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILowf7Tw7QY

I don't agree with Trump's call out that chloroquine is one of the possible coronavirus cures, in the spirit that a leader of a country must treat its populace as idiots they are, and if they get a notification of some cure, they will panic, compromise the supply of the drug (by buing it the **** out), die from overdosing (and this applies to every substance used as medicine and many others) or from ingesting something totally different and dangerous.

That said this looks like a good lead to me. The fact that some people are worthy of Darwin award here (self-medicine without any knowledge of proper treatment methods, doing so without any actual reason to other than panic, overdosing, and overdosing the wrong thing anyway) should not change the view on the research into it.

As for the research itself, I emphasise with the researchers. Surely the entire state of affairs in French healthcare system doesn't make attempting this research properly and with accordance with all the rules any easier. A good course of action would be to not drop chloroquine into the trash bin, but make sure we have properly conducted research on it with definitive and documented results, preferably as soon as possible.

Exempt from the video: on March 20th, the FDA approved chloroquine to be used, but only in hospitals. That is, places where a patient can be monitored for dangerous side effects.


As for the financial interest in chloroquine... Surely every single dollar Trump doesn't earn from this is worthy of any price, including thousands of dead.
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Don't get medical news from random YouTubers.  There are numerous papers [in the public domain] on this subject, all of which are infinitely more credible than some random dude who claims to be a licensed medical practitioner in the US.

Chloroquine and its related compounds need extensive clinical testing before we will know if they are suitable for use, and numerous trials are underway researching this issue.  Notably, the CDC stripped some information on use off its website this week as there have been adverse cardiac interactions.

In short, the only people who should be talking about specific drugs and treatments right now are the doctors and researchers using them.  There are way too many opinions and half-baked ideas coming out from people who read one article in a paper and listening to a speech by some random politician or a YouTube video by some half-informed quack and there isn't near enough actual goddamn science on the subject.  I'm seeing morons on Twitter advocating cancellation of all control measures and we should just start dosing everyone with drugs because they are safe in another context and its an emergency.

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Offline starlord

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Agreed, not to mention that chloroquine is actually being prescribed for a number of reasons (lupus being one of them if I recall) and that that kind of rush might prevent people who absolutely need the drug to access it.

Also, just as a reminder: what is being investigated right now as a potential prescription for covid19 patients is NOT chloroquine alone but chloroquine and azythromycin combined. Many people tend to circulate half truths/half omitted stuff throughout YouTube of no value whatsoever, and the general public should be advised to stay away from this chaff. If you really want to read worthwhile info, get the publications off pubmed. Simple as that.

Another point of contention is at what stage of the disease should the treatment be administered. Basically there comes a point in the disease where viral charge isn’t so much of a problem as lung scarring. As such, allowing patients in the final stage of the disease to access a treatment aiming to lower viral charge might not be that good a plan.