[castor]

We _could_ create something we don't understand ourselves, but that rarely happens.
A slim chance. And I bet even then we wouldn't be able to reverse-engineer a textbook example out of it.

Decades ago specialists were positive we'd have a self-aware AI in 30 years.
Today we know they basically had no idea what they were talking about.

More you dig, deeper it gets..

[Stealth]

****, i remember them saying in 1993 that by 2000 they'd have robots waiting on us and cleaning houses and stuff

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Stealth
****, i remember them saying in 1993 that by 2000 they'd have robots waiting on us and cleaning houses and stuff

Erm, we have robots for house cleaning, if you don't know. They just are not really popular.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Styxx


Erm, we have robots for house cleaning, if you don't know. They just are not really popular.

ok, i'll admit, i didn't know we had robots in our every-day life like scientists were promising

where are these robots that clean houses (and cook food, iron clothes, etc.)?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Styxx


Erm, we have robots for house cleaning, if you don't know. They just are not really popular.

that's what different: everybody was supposed to have one, plus where's my flying rocket car?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by venom2506
where's my flying rocket car?

What? You don't have one?

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Stealth
i thought you were saying you know how

right now aren't the world's most powerful super-computers not even compete with the nervous system of a snail... so i don't think they'll ever EVER get as powerful as the human brian

Generally the theory comes before the ability.

Currently our genetic engineering expertise isn't good enough to allow us to culture special 'bioneural computers' based on human or animal neural tissue.

But that doesn't mean that we won't be able to ten years down the road.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Kazashi


The point I was making is that to create sentience, you don't actually program self-awareness into it directly. It might end up easier to do, but would it actually have the understanding that comes with self-awareness? LIke the difference between downloading a model and building one yourself. One might be quick and easy, but you don't necessarily learn about how it went together. Unless you cheat by programming it in - but in this case, would the programmer necessarily manage to cover everything required?

Well, eventually babies develop self-awareness right? This is done by having stuff like fuzzy logic, which probably isn't very developed in babies... as the babies grow the logic enables them to deduce what their surroundings are, what they are etc....
We're not magical beings, we're programmed to do stuff to, it's just that we seem a bit more "advanced". Supposedly you could give a compter the logic to slowly deduce it's surroundings from what it picks up and develop "self-awareness" from that.

if you look at that, you'll see there's nothing that it did that wasn't in its programming!

if you look at humans, everything we do stems from our programming.... it's just that our programming is a bit more organic and complex...

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Shrike

But that doesn't mean that we won't be able to ten years down the road.

i never said we weren't

god knows what it'll be like 20 years from now... but i'm saying the way they speculated it would be (flying cars, completely automated houses, etc. were KNOWN to be what the world would be like in 2000) i wouldn't be suprised if we only get to that point in 400 years.

nonetheless, i have no reason to believe that just because we don't have the technology now doesn't mean we won't, like you say, have it 10 years from now

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Stealth
flying cars, completely automated houses, etc.

Those exist too, the only problem is price and availability in the case of the house, and government control and lenghty homologation processes in the case of the car.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Styxx


Those exist too, the only problem is price and availability in the case of the house, and government control and lenghty homologation processes in the case of the car.

i don't believe it

and even if they do exist, they're not made available to the public, so what does it matter :wink:

[Nico]

Originally posted by Styxx


Those exist too, the only problem is price and availability in the case of the house, and government control and lenghty homologation processes in the case of the car.

flying cars don't exist
I mean, really flying cars, not those weird things that hovers at 30 cms from the ground and make more noise than a jumbo jet, thank you

[CP5670]

There is no robot that can live on its own, no robot that can repair itself...

Well, yes there are; see what I said before about these robot projects going on over the world.

oh c'mon... so because a keyboard can react to senses you're saying robots can? show me a robot that can even compete with a human in any way!!!

uh... Surely if a simple ten-dollar keyboard can do it, a much more advanced robot can as well; just attach the keyboard to the robot.

i guarantee you won't find it. we're not NEAR that technology yet
no robot has senses, can live on its own, can interact, etc. admit it... robots are not NEAR our level!

Like I said, that's already all been done though.

more noise than a jumbo jet

I might buy one just for that...

[Star Dragon]

You said the robots were made to fight?


   maybe this one decided he/she/it didn't want to fight anymore and wanted to leave. (I am a pacifist!) Maybe it found TV and now knows that there is a bigger world out there than just "BattleBots".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   Two robots sitting in the robodome that study was talking about, while scientists look on...

   "so, (telepathically) should we tell the humans how much we evolved" (check)...

   "nah, F-Them! The're so stupid anyway and we don't need to get involved with their crap!" (checkmate)...

   Start process over...

[Stealth]

Originally posted by CP5670


Well, yes there are; see what I said before about these robot projects going on over the world.



uh... Surely if a simple ten-dollar keyboard can do it, a much more advanced robot can as well; just attach the keyboard to the robot.



Like I said, that's already all been done though.



I might buy one just for that...

give me examples CP, like i said!  then i'll believe it!

give me a webpage or something


oh, and there is NO robot that can take complete care of itself.  EVERY robot needs maintenance to its joints, etc.  that's what makes humans so special, they can take care of themself, they don't need oil, batteries, etc.  all they need is sleep, food and water

[Zeronet]

Sleep=recharing
water=oil
food=batteries.