[vyper]

Kyoto may be founded in very sound and noble principles but when its implimented in every day life it will be a farce.

Even Governments who have signed up are more interested in maintaining tax revenue and keeping mass population under control than actually reducing pollution or doing anything useful for that matter.

My infamous saying: "Governments exist to protect both the people and interests of the people of the nation they govern" is forgotten by these people. Sure, we all want to be living in a clean world and be nice and friendly to each other but due to the napoleonic-style mindset that has infected almost all men of power, we can never have a truely "good" world. Governments are too busy legislating to secure their next term in office to actually change anything in the world.

Alright - sometimes we do have to do nasty things, like war, to preserve our own good way of life, but our current leaders around the world are more interested in thier own image and power than what the people they work for (US!) want.

Let us be the generation to change this!

[wEvil]

Originally posted by vyper
Kyoto may be founded in very sound and noble principles but when its implimented in every day life it will be a farce.

Even Governments who have signed up are more interested in maintaining tax revenue and keeping mass population under control than actually reducing pollution or doing anything useful for that matter.

My infamous saying: "Governments exist to protect both the people and interests of the people of the nation they govern" is forgotten by these people. Sure, we all want to be living in a clean world and be nice and friendly to each other but due to the napoleonic-style mindset that has infected almost all men of power, we can never have a truely "good" world. Governments are too busy legislating to secure their next term in office to actually change anything in the world.

Alright - sometimes we do have to do nasty things, like war, to preserve our own good way of life, but our current leaders around the world are more interested in thier own image and power than what the people they work for (US!) want.

Let us be the generation to change this!

UP THE REVOLUTION!!!

I wonder what happens when there's more "terrorists" than "normal people" in the world?

[Blue Lion]

I don't give a rodent's posterior

[Styxx]

Originally posted by wEvil
I wonder what happens when there's more "terrorists" than "normal people" in the world?

The, obviously, the definition of "terrorist" will be changed...

[Redfang]

Originally posted by Blue Lion

I don't give a rodent's posterior

 

 
Though that was before actually reading the thread, only the first post. And I knew nothing about it back then, now I think it's good, I guess.

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Redfang

 

 
Though that was before actually reading the thread, only the first post. And I knew nothing about it back then, now I think it's good, I guess.

Good, bad, whatever, my nation didn't sign it and probably won't have anything to do with it. So it in no way affects my day to day life.

[Carl]

there is so little CO2 in the atmosphere that nothing we do could make a difference.

[Zeronet]

Exactly, Cars caused a 1% increase .

[Nico]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Exactly, Cars caused a 1% increase .

seems 1% is enough, go ask german people, they love those floodings...

[Zeronet]

They were the worst floods in a hundred years, not the worsts floods Ever.

[Thorn]

Fix whats causing the problem and you wont have to worry about this Kyoto crap....

[phreak]

Don't volcanos contribute to the majority of pollution? some volcanic eruptions have caused more environmental harm than we ever have.. and i'm talking yesterday in geologic terms.  i recall hearing of one volcanic eruption in the early 1800s that effectively prevented summer from happening.  The only way we could do that is a nuclear war and nuclear winter is still a theory (thank god)

[Mr. Vega]

I'm more worried about those CFC's tearing that huge hole in the ozone layer in Antarctica.

[Carl]

the kyoto agreemant has nohing to do with pollution. it's smaller countries jealous of the bigger, more powerful countries. (especially America) they just want to find a way to have power over us.

deny it as you may, it is the truth.

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by venom2506


seems 1% is enough, go ask german people, they love those floodings...

Yah, because every natural disaster is our fault. We didn't have floods til recently,  blame pollution.

[Nico]

I won't even reply to you coz you don't know what you're talking about: so shut up.

[Shrike]

And do you have proof that those floods are happening because of cars?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Shrike
And do you have proof that those floods are happening because of cars?

did I say cars? it's pollution. Just look at France. for the past 10 years, the rain factor has never stop increasing, summers are everyday more and more warm, and winter more and more cold. What has changed? the pollution factor has increased  by the same rates. I don't believe in coincidences.
Anyway, just to tell you, I'm not worried about the future, I'm not running around screaming "doomsday's coming!!!!!". I'm not stopping using my car, I'm not yelling (except when it stinks in my home ) at my neighbour who keeps burning stuff in his garden all day long ( stuff that often happens to contain plastic, by the smell of it... ) What have to happen will happen, that's all. What I say is that it's cowardly denying it's our fault. Nature won't change like that in 10 years on its own. Nature changes, but not that fast.

[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Carl
the kyoto agreemant has nohing to do with pollution. it's smaller countries jealous of the bigger, more powerful countries. (especially America) they just want to find a way to have power over us.

deny it as you may, it is the truth.

Well thats a total load of crap. Developing countries (which I guess is what you mean) would have a hard time sticking to it because of the massive amount of growth they are going through.

Many of these countries are the ones we need to win over, and they dont want to bother if America cant be bothered.

With views like your yours America is going to become increasingly isolated from Europe. We cant afford to ignore it because all the popution is having an effect here and causing loss of life and huge amounts of damage that costs millions to repair.

EDIT: And you people who doupt cars effect, just look it up, its a scientific fact. Although on the last check planes produced more pollution.

[Fineus]

I'm inclined to agree with Tiger, adhering to the agreement costs money and will therefore hit developing countries harder than it will countries such as America or those in Europe, to say that it forces other countries to have power of America is rubbish, how does forcing them to put in place proper pollution monitoring efforts etc, give other people power over them? That's paranoia if anything else...