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A plan that will do appreciable good
17 (51.5%)
Probably won't change much one way or another
6 (18.2%)
A plan that is fundamentally flawed
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I don't give a rodent's posterior
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Voting closed: September 03, 2002, 12:38:27 am

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Offline Shrike

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So what are your opinions on it?
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In 1997 the Kyoto Protocol was successfully created, with the vast majority of all the world's nations being happy to set targets in order to successfully reduce Carbon Dioxide emissions in hope of significantly reducing Global Warming.

Bush withdrew the US from the agreement in 2001. Another reason I don't like him...

 

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Bush withdrew the US from the agreement in 2001. Another reason I don't like him...




Another reason... :blah:
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Offline Stryke 9

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Uh...

Anyway. Absolutely ineffectual, because the US, as one of the world's biggest polluters, is paying it no mind. Also because now that we're not, nobody else is gonna feel obligated to. It's rare for nations to take a moral stance when they can make money, when they have the choice, but sometimes it happens, so I won't say it's necessarily COMPLETELY ineffective yet.

 
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I voted yeah, though the US has failed (yet again) to lead by example, it is my hope that in this area other nations will rise to the occasion... (Let's have a military coup! :cool:  Can I get a promotion?)
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All you people who voted yes, please tell the class exactly what the Kyoto agreement will do.
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Originally posted by Shrike
All you people who voted yes, please tell the class exactly what the Kyoto agreement will do.


wasn't it about putting filters on a fraction of the polluters? (the industrial buildings, powerplants and such...)
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I think a new pact should be made to research Fusion power with all nations. :p Then America should be left out of the loop. The world will have Fusion power and america will still have conventional power... :D
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barring a miracle we'll all be running of nukes in 30 years whether anyone likes it or not anyway..

and they'll be making jewelry out of coal.

 

Offline Styxx

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Well, you all can be running nuclear plants, we here will stick to hydroelectrical until a good form of fusion is created. ;)

And the point of the agreement is to reduce the emmission of carbon dioxide and other nocive elements into Earth's atmosphere. Simple really - it's just an evironmental commitment, that would require a bit of good will and money to be accomplished. Unfortunately, some "developed" countries (how really "developed" are they, one should ask) are refusing to abide by it. I just wish there was a way to keep all of the pollution created by a country inside its own borders.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Well, you all can be running nuclear plants, we here will stick to hydroelectrical until a good form of fusion is created. ;)

And the point of the agreement is to reduce the emmission of carbon dioxide and other nocive elements into Earth's atmosphere. Simple really - it's just an evironmental commitment, that would require a bit of good will and money to be accomplished. Unfortunately, some "developed" countries (how really "developed" are they, one should ask) are refusing to abide by it. I just wish there was a way to keep all of the pollution created by a country inside its own borders.


Good idea.  Lets build a shield!

 

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the cash that implementing the Kyoto treaty would cost would be better spent researching fuel cells or fusion power,
I would like nothing better than to some day soon have solar powered hydrogen stations to refill my fuel cell car on the corner of my street
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Offline RandomTiger

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I dont know the details of the protocol  but its been developed for years and its the only current solution that could involve all countries at once. Its the only thing like it that will be around for a while and if people dont sign up we are missing a great opertunity to try and reduce some of the damage we have done.

Otherwise depending on were you live its going to get very hot or cold or be totally underwater. We are fast coming to the point where we cant just ingnore all this and hope someone else sorts it out. You can see if from space now the planet is turning grey.

 

Offline RandomTiger

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Originally posted by Bobboau
the cash that implementing the Kyoto treaty would cost would be better spent researching fuel cells or fusion power,
I would like nothing better than to some day soon have solar powered hydrogen stations to refill my fuel cell car on the corner of my street


That would be fantastic but American companys have bought most of the tech for that stuff to keep the current system in place.

 

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Originally posted by Bobboau
the cash that implementing the Kyoto treaty would cost would be better spent researching fuel cells or fusion power,
I would like nothing better than to some day soon have solar powered hydrogen stations to refill my fuel cell car on the corner of my street


The problem is, that cash is not going that direction, and will never go that direction if it's up to the american corporations that forced the government to withdraw from the protocol. They don't care if they deplete the planet's resources or you get lung cancer from pollution if they have their profits. In fact, they'll do practically anything from stopping you, or anyone else, from developing that kind of technology efficiently.

Now, if you trust the corporations to do what's best for you, then good luck... :rolleyes:
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Offline Thor

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Canada will be following the accord, as stated in the news today.  Our Primeminister announced this recently.  I voted ya, because it can't hurt the environment if everyone else followed it.  Stupid Bush.  You think I guy named after a plant would respect the environment more?
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Originally posted by Thor
Canada will be following the accord, as stated in the news today.  Our Primeminister announced this recently.  I voted ya, because it can't hurt the environment if everyone else followed it.  Stupid Bush.  You think I guy named after a plant would respect the environment more?
No?  How about the fact that instead of actually cleaning up polluters can simply buy emission credits from countries with 'excess' pollution capacity.  So instead of solving the problem of pollution it just becomes glorified foreign aid.

And this is supposed to help the environment?
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I think profits should be banned.