[Pegasus V]

Everyone I talk to thinks the President of the United States of America is an idiot. Personally, I haven't seen any evidence of this. Can you please explain to me why everyone has this opinion. I'm not referring to the US, just Bush.

Plus, what is everyone's opinion of the PM of the UK - Blair?

[Fineus]

I think Blairs every bit as much of an idiot as Bush is, and no I'm not the rebellious type who hates authority on general principles - if either of them were any good then I would indeed have respect for them and their actions. However I don't - go figure.

Bush is an idiot (somewhat ironically) for the reason in your thread title. Bush (or rather forest) fires are common in the US, Bush was asked for a solution...

Cut the trees down.

Yep, Greenpeace will love that

And yes, he's withdrawn from the Kyto agreement... generaly ignored all other similar issues and cocentrated on trying (and failing) to kill Osama bin Laden and fight a war on terrorism which threatens to plunge the world into another World War (or at least horrifically scar some of its population and land).

Of course most US citizens don't mind to much about this, following 11/9. I don't blame them for feeling bad about this but it seems that so many people have forgotten how many innocent civilians both the US and UK (and no doubt other) armies have killed over the past one hundred years. Now that it's gone the other way everyone is in up-roar, and whilst I don't think any death is a good death I do think that to act like this is some novel, new and outragous thing to happen to a country is rather stupid.

For the sake of clarity I say again that I don't condone the WTC attacks.

Meanwhile, even though Bin Laden is still apparently alive, Bush and Blair are turning their attentions to Sadam Hussain... if they fail the counter attack could possibly decimate the UK - certainly affect us, and no doubt have significant tolls on the US as well.

Of course, both nations will call for a counter attack. Perhaps nukes.

And we all know what happens next.

So, since Bush came into power we've had the US withdraw from (although IIRC it never entered) and break the Kyto agreement, ignore entirely the World Summit meetings in favour of finding new ways to kill more people and general plunge the planet further into chaos.

Of course Tony Blair had his hand in this as well, but I don't for the life of me know what makes his mind tick over...

Of course this is all down to opinion, but I like to think that my set of morals and ideals are more or less intact - personally I don't think waging wars now is a good idea at all, but Bush thinks it is. Thus people like me are screwed.

[Bobboau]

Bush is an idiot, and he knows it that's why he has a buch of smart people to make desisions for him,

now, the plan that has been put forth is not, "cut down the trees", but rather to clear out the rubble that would normaly not acumulate in the forests becase of natural smaller fires that would clear them out, US forest fire pollicy has been to not allow any forest fire, wich has led to a major stockpile of dead trees and a forest structure (too many small younger and quite flamable trees too close together) that is inductive to makeing huge fire storms. why not run an experiment in a relitivly small aria to see if the stratigy helps

now to respond to the second part,
western civilisation despises killing, it makes me sick for this stuff to be hapening to anyone, but we live in a world were there are people who hate us and want to kill us, if we don't defend ourselves we will be killed,
they are going to strike at us again, and the longer we take to respond then the more people are going to die in horable ways, and further they will be our people not just the opressed people in other contries,
the thing I remembered most of my inital reaction to the atacks, was a feeling of those "damned ****ers, why must they make us kill them why can't they just deal with us", it wasn't so much that the sucker punched us, or that they hated us, or they wanted to kill me my famly everyone I know and love, but rather they were giveing us no choice but to have to kill them, and that they were going to bring as many of there own people down with them
I realy wanted a peacful world, a world of talk and negotiations, but
they are unreasonable,
they will not negotiate,
anything that seems like they may is just a staling tactic,
that is what hepens every time, EVERY TIME,
I think I can see a fricking paturn,

now if you are woried about retalitation, why are you hesitating, they will use what ever that get on us eventualy, the longer we wait the worse it's gona be,
it's like a sewer that has backed up, it's gona be a foul disgusting sickening mess but the longer you wait the worse it'll be and it will back up into you're house eventualy, and then you've got another disaster on you're hands

they - referes to any insaine militant islamic groupe or regime, they all have the goal of destroing westurn civilisation in favor of strick islamic theocrocies

[Pegasus V]

Originally posted by Bobboau
now if you are woried about retalitation, why are you hesitating, they will use what ever that get on us eventualy, the longer we wait the worse it's gona be, it's like a sewer that has backed up, it's gona be a foul disgusting sickening mess but the longer you wait the worse it'll be and it will back up into you're house eventualy, and then you've got another disaster on you're hands

This is what I've been trying to tell everyone (my work friends, etc)...

[Nico]

Originally posted by Thunder
Of course, both nations will call for a counter attack. Perhaps nukes.  

of course not. Nukes would damage borderside countries, and Bush don't want to turn Koweit into a noman's land right? destroying what you've fought for would be a bit pointless .
Anyway, if you attack Irak, well, what? They won't be able to defend themselves,you'll prove nothing else than you can do it again, and then, what will be the next country?
If Kennedy acted like that years ago, we'd be all dead.

[Bobboau]

we won't nuke unless he does, even then we probly won't nuke
we want, to get Sadam out of power and instal a democratic republic

[Nico]

Originally posted by Bobboau
we won't nuke unless he does, even then we probly won't nuke
we want, to get Sadam out of power and instal a democratic republic

then send a few snipers, not the friggin army. And let them decide the next move, its their own country, not yours.

[Pegasus V]

Originally posted by venom2506
then send a few snipers, not the friggin army. And let them decide the next move, its their own country, not yours.

Yeah... It's THAT easy... Cmon Venom, the government of Iraq feels the same way as Hussein, we can't sniper each one of them. Even if we do, it is likely that their army would continue fighting until the next person who assumes power tells them to stop.

[Bobboau]

if we kill sadam and don't insure another ruthless dictator doesn't move in it'll just be another Sadam,
we have to ensure a fair elected government for there people,
one that considers it's starving people as a bigger problem than it's lack of implements of mass murder

[Nico]

Originally posted by Pegasus V


Yeah... It's THAT easy... Cmon Venom, the government of Iraq feels the same way as Hussein, we can't sniper each one of them. Even if we do, it is likely that their army would continue fighting until the next person who assumes power tells them to stop.

what's the difference, you snipe them, or you bomb them? and what about the other peoples? you think they'll listen to the guy you'll choose? if not, you'll kill them all?

[Warlock]

Hmmm .... clueless ppl

Sadam and Snipers ,.... been there ...done that.

You don't think that's BEEN tried ? ? We lost at LEAST one Seal Team trying to get that guy back in Desert Storm.

And Venom.... the reason for it is simple ,... he's been linked to the attack by Bin Laden. If we just wanted him dead and a new Government installed .... don't ya think we'd have done it back when we first had troops there? Come on ppl.

Yup....everyone thinks Bush is an idoit,... funny thing ,... He's the first Pres to finally say Terroists can blow it out their asses and send troops to finish it. I never got crap for Tax Relief until now ,... brush fires ..... well ....if you payed attention ... nearly the SAME places have them CONSTANTLY ,.... thus in all actuallity ... cutting down the trees (what you ppl never heard of THINNING a forest?) would be the next logical step.

Christ ... what you ppl want Ross Perot,...Mr I've got money so I should be president ,....or Dan Quayle ,.... Mr I lost the election... I'm going to sue! Oh ya ....good choices.

[Knight Templar]

shhhh. quiet guys, he's making a speach

[Warlock]

Ok now Speechs ... THOSE I hate Luckily the GF's still asleep so I have a reason not to be watching anything that might be suddenly taken over by a speech

[CP5670]

I do agree that Bush is an idiot, but not in the sense that everyone here is talking about; he is quite simple-minded and this is apparent in the things he says in speeches. However, as I said in that other thread, he is probably not the one who is making all the decisions; I bet he is simply a tool of the more intelligent people around him (i.e. his cabinet).

I am quite supportive of most of his actions so far, but seeing as his thoughts are probably pretty easy to influence, I doubt he is the one really behind things so far.

Anyway, if you attack Irak, well, what? They won't be able to defend themselves,you'll prove nothing else than you can do it again, and then, what will be the next country?

The rest of the world, what else?

And let them decide the next move, its their own country, not yours.

The world belongs to whoever has the power to control it.

[Nico]

Originally posted by CP5670
The world belongs to whoever has the power to control it.

tell that to the WTC people
some people never learn. what you've done so far is bombing a few caves, and Bin Laden is most likely still running. Outstanding power you have, there's no doubt about it, but seems you don't know how to use it.

[Styxx]

And here we go again...

[Warlock]

Originally posted by venom2506


tell that to the WTC people
some people never learn. what you've done so far is bombing a few caves, and Bin Laden is most likely still running. Outstanding power you have, there's no doubt about it, but seems you don't know how to use it.

You're right .... instead of bombing the areas he's most likely to be hiding in we should just carpet bomb the country until he's dead .

And ... buddy ....there's been more than cave bombing going on there ,... Ive got a few friends from when i was active duty that are over there .... they wouldn't be there to just sit and watch the lightshow.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Warlock


You're right .... instead of bombing the areas he's most likely to be hiding in we should just carpet bomb the country until he's dead .  

No. when you hunt a man, you send soldiers, not B2. Seems common sense to me, but maybe it's not
bah, I don't want to argue, plus my teacher is looking at me in a weird way .

[CP5670]

tell that to the WTC people
some people never learn. what you've done so far is bombing a few caves, and Bin Laden is most likely still running. Outstanding power you have, there's no doubt about it, but seems you don't know how to use it.

what are "WTC people?" It is true that he is still alive, but that's not the point; what we want to do is to keep them running so to hinder their progress otherwise. We cannot stop them completely, but we can certainly forestall their plans.

when you hunt a man, you send soldiers, not B2.

The B2 is more likely to get him though while taking less damage than the soldiers would.

[Warlock]

Besides .... if we JUST sent in troops ....and thus lost soldiers to get ONE man .... THEN the US would be labeled "A killer of her own sons and daughters".

Hell if it were me I'd just carpet bomb the caves until they were the world's largest parking lot and be done with it.

Still funny .... the guy hijacks CIVILLIAN planes and crashes them FULL of innocent ppl into our biggest buildings ,... we go after him ...and WE'RE the bad guys ? ?


Cp ,.. ummm WTC = World Trade Center would be my guess.