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Offline aldo_14

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/14/esrb_orders_games_content_audit/

[q]US games software watchdog the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has told games publishers they must reveal any hidden content included in all the software they have released since 1 September 2004.

The order was sent by email, a copy of which was leaked to games-oriented website Gamasutra this week.

In the email, the ESRB expressed its concern that hidden content subsequently exposed by games modifications could undermine the ratings system. Since the ESRB is run by the games industry itself, it undoubtedly fears that any loss of faith in its ratings could lead to a potentially harsher, government-mandated certification system.

To counter that threat, the ESRB told all publishers and developers they must formally detail any hidden material which the organisation has not already been notified about.

"If you fail to notify us of previously undisclosed, non-playable, pertinent content by 9 January 2006, and such content becomes playable through a subsequent authorised or unauthorised release of code to unlock it, rendering the original rating assignment inaccurate, punitive in addition to corrective actions may result," the watchdog warned, without going into details.

Any hidden material reported to the ESRB by that time will be used to consider whether a game should be re-rated. In future, the organisation said, if games companies don't want hidden content to be reflected in a game's rating, they shouldn't include it.

The request follows the discovery of adult material in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas earlier this year. Although the content was never intended to be seen by players, according to developer Rockstar Studios, it was nonetheless exposed by a third-party modification posted on the Internet. That prompted the ESRB to raise the game's rating from Mature to Adults Only, which prompted a number of major US games retailers to pull the title from their shelves.

The ESRB's rules have always required games publishers to notify it of hidden content intended to be exposed by special codes or, say, by sending game characters to certain locations. These so-called Easter Eggs are commonplace, but since the adult content in GTA: San Andreas was not included as an Easter Egg, it was not revealed to the ESRB.

GTA: San Andreas is due to return to shops this week after its publisher, Take-Two Interactive, removed the so-called 'Hot Coffee' content in order to get the rating back down to Mature. [/q]

Also, on the bluesnews story; the ESRB release

[q]Most interestingly, the ESRB has announced, with the support of its Board of Directors, a request that all game publishers complete a comprehensive review of all games launched since September 1, 2004. This internal publisher-run audit is intended to determine if non-playable, pertinent content, not previously disclosed to the ESRB, remains in the final code on the discs released to the public.

Publishers must inform the ESRB of any possible issues regarding hidden content by January 9, 2006, and the ratings board may re-rate titles if any of this content changes the potential rating for the game.

The email then specifies: "If you fail to notify us of previously undisclosed, non-playable, pertinent content by January 9, and such content becomes playable through a subsequent authorized or unauthorized release of code to unlock it, rendering the original rating assignment inaccurate, punitive in addition to corrective actions may result." It is as yet unclear exactly what punitive actions the ESRB may sanction, or is capable of carrying out.

Finally, the ESRB addresses third-party 'mod' content which could potentially change the game's suitability, but was not inserted by the game's developer, commenting: "ESRB remains concerned about third party modifications that undermine the accuracy of the original rating, and we are exploring ways to maintain the credibility of the rating system with consumers in light of modifications of this nature."[/q]

Sucks to be in the US, eh?

 

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[color=66ff00]And in breaking news Freespace 2 has been rated 18+

An ESRB henchperson stated that 'we thought that the perseus fighter looked like male genitalia with wings'.
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Pfft, they can't judge third party content. For one, that'd take them forever and a day and I don't think they have the manpower. But it also grants anyone far too much power over the game designers.

All it takes is one jackass to release a nude-mod for some charachter in UT2004 and that'll get its rating bumped to an 18. One BF2 map with a few porn pictures strewn around the map and it'll be re-rated.

They can't stop people from making mods, but they can't take it out on the game designers. They have no control over what mods people make.

 

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[color=66ff00]And in breaking news Freespace 2 has been rated 18+

An ESRB henchperson stated that 'we thought that the perseus fighter looked like male genitalia with wings'.
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*insert GTD ***** joke here*

 

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Can't they add some kind of note that when ESRB nor the developer is responsible for any Third Party Content, and that any Third Party Content will void the rating or something?
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Originally posted by Fragrag
Can't they add some kind of note that when ESRB nor the developer is responsible for any Third Party Content, and that any Third Party Content will void the rating or something?


Nah, because that would require common sense.  And god knows, we can't be having that in modern armerica!

 

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ESRB ratings are voluntary. You submit your game to the ESRB and pay them a fee to rate it.
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I'm supprised they have not re-rated all the games played on Steam because of all the porn sprays people use.

 

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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Porn Sprays.

 

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Very Freudian

 

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Unless I'm misreading these articles, they're not talking about third-party independent mods.  They're talking about features that were included in the game's release version and can be unlocked, similar to the Hot Coffee mod. (I really don't see that as being much of a "mod" if it actually opened up content that was in the game to begin with.)  That's a far cry from saying that something like Desert Combat would have to be rated by the ESRB.

 

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Re-read the final paragraph of the second quote Mongoose :)

 

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Yup, why use common sense and intelligence when downloading mods when you can have a little number that saves you the effort ;)

For the UK, at least, I always laugh, since one of generations grew up in the Blitz seeing entire families blown to pieces in real life, and they were considered 'normal' whereas those who have only seen death 'Second Hand or graphical imitiation of' as it were are a  'violence polluted' generation.

Wierd.

 

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Re-read the final paragraph of the second quote Mongoose :)


The bold bit, may I add.

 

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The bold bit, may I add.

Maybe it's just my monitor, but bold text doesn't show up too well on this forum.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :p

That line does change a lot.  I really don't understand their rationale.  How can a game developer be responsible for changes to the game that they were never involved in?  And why should the presence of more mature mods affect the rating of the off-the-shelf game?  I mean, if someone decided to make a nudie mod for Halo (and please, don't even start thinking about it :p), does that have anything to do with Bungie?  Of course not.  So how can they justify that?

 

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Um. This just says that if a company has released HIDDEN content that will affect a game's rating they have to reveal it (at least to the ESRB).

Stuff added to a game by users: NOT AFFECTED.
Stuff added to a game by the game maker: AFFECTED.

They can EXPLORE ways, but there's not a thing they can do.

Its pretty simple. And whilst we're on the subject, the ESRB is an industry appointed organization. They are answerable to the game industry in the US. This is NOT something that got imposed on the industry form outside.
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This is getting a little silly. But as long as it's not mandatory I don't see a big problem with it.
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So they have to disclose all the commented-out bits of code that say

//This piece of **** hack shouldn't go into the release
//but I'm so ****ing sick of all this debugging

because that's adult language. Right?
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