[Genryu]

Originally posted by Liberator


Any society that let's 15,000 die in a heat wave because they are too busy sunning their fat wine drinking asses at the beach is decadent in my eyes.

Seeing as I think that one is specifically (as usual) targetting the French :
-5000, not 15000
-All old people, with fragile health
What would you want us to do ? Install air-conditioner in every old people appartment and house ?
Get real, accusing us on this is moronic. It's like If I said that the USA are decadent because they let people each time there's a tornado. You can't do a thing when Nature wants to 'play'.
Btw, we may be decadent, but at least we take care of our own people : Health care anyone ? If we don't have the best system, we're not that far behind, and I'm as usual too lazy to do the research, but I think that there's way more people living in poverty in the USA that in France.
I could go on like this, but I don't want to upset the other American on this board, who seems level-headed and intelligent people, instead of moronic preacher.
(Flame away, but I needed to do this, Lib is beginning to really grate on my nerve )

[Ace]

Originally posted by Liberator


Specifically, definitions 1 and 3.



Any society that let's 15,000 die in a heat wave because they are too busy sunning their fat wine drinking asses at the beach is decadent in my eyes.

Any society that makes citizens pay tax on individual components of an item is decadent in my eyes.

Any society that would rather pass resoloution after resoloution instead of taking action is a decadent bunch o pantywaists who need to pull the goddamn heads out of the sand.

You'll pardon us while we go save the world again.

On a personal note, if any of you Euros have any sort of national pride, I would advise you get your countries out of the EU before Europe ends up like the former Soviet Block countries.

Very well then, by your standards who is not decadent then? Most of your statements are vague enough to be applied to the United States.

[Tiara]

Liberator, please stop your Westrern Europe bashing. Your ignorance is really astounding. And your respect with me has just dropped into the negative catagory. Around -85% respect.

What you call patriotism and 'speaking up for your country' seems to me like it's a bigoted attempt to make your own country look better.

Try that one more time and my boot will be up your ass faster then you can say 'US of A'.

[01010]

Hey Lib, how much did those blinders you wear cost? They seem to work really well.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by karajorma


Run a poll and see who is against gay marriage with the average people on the street. Then ask those same people what religion they are (if any). I'll bet you won't be surprised by the number of your generally nice religious people who'll suddenly turn into gay bashers.
 

But I'll bet I'll get the same number of gay-bashers from non-religious people, at least judging by what I see on the street.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Liberator


Any society that let's 15,000 die in a heat wave because they are too busy sunning their fat wine drinking asses at the beach is decadent in my eyes.

Any society that makes citizens pay tax on individual components of an item is decadent in my eyes.

Any society that would rather pass resoloution after resoloution instead of taking action is a decadent bunch o pantywaists who need to pull the goddamn heads out of the sand.

You'll pardon us while we go save the world again.

On a personal note, if any of you Euros have any sort of national pride, I would advise you get your countries out of the EU before Europe ends up like the former Soviet Block countries.

Now, maybe you'd go, and learn a bit about European politics, before you start decatentling us again.

Name me a period in any time, in the history of civilisation, in which some of those things you mentioned, haven't been done.

That's right, none.

Or perhaps, the stone age. Because it didn't have goverments.

As for the taking action part, need I remind you that there have been no wars fought on US (continental) soil since the Civil War. There are two being fought right now in Europe (or at least two that I know about). And if I have to choose between a gung-ho cowboy president, and a the resolution-making, then I'll gladly take the resolution making.

And finally, I don't see any of your so called Decadence that isn't being done in the States, Asia, or any other country in the world.

And what the hell are your definition of decadence anyway? Let's play the opposite game. <- Note the word game

I think that USA is decadent, because 60% of it's population is overweight

I think that USA is decadent, because it elected GWB as it's president.

I think that USA is decadent, because it dictates higher prices on goods, that could clearly be manufactured for lower costs, just to get more money.

That way, we could call every country in the world decadent.

So please, christian as you are, let me remind you of the line "Why do you see a splinter in your brother's eye, but fail to see the log in your own?"

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Stunaep
But I'll bet I'll get the same number of gay-bashers from non-religious people, at least judging by what I see on the street.

From agnostics maybe or the God exists but I don't believe in religion crowd. The number would be much lower amongst atheists.

Let me put it this way find me an atheist on this board who hates gays. Out of the christians I can point to several who do. Find me a similar number of atheists.

If you look at the topics about gay rights you find almost all the people who were demanding that they had the right to marry we atheists.

[Stunaep]

Yeah, well, but this board also has an general IQ higher than the general population, or at least so it seems. At least, I've seen a lot of people, who even don't know that the year is 2004 because Jesus was born 2004 years ago, and are actively opposed to gay marriages.

I guess, it ultimately comes down to general knowledge of the world. YOu get all kinds of people on both sides.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Stunaep
I guess, it ultimately comes down to general knowledge of the world. YOu get all kinds of people on both sides.

Well, I'll agree with that. Still too bad though...

[Zeronet]

Socialist countries do far more to look after *all* members of their society than welfare states.

[Kazan]

Stu: I don't know a single atheist who hates gays - and I know a lot of atheists

it's like this - 2 out of 3 three christians I know are homophobes - 0 out of every 100 atheists

[Zeronet]

I could think of quite a number of people who arent religious and hate gays that i know, i could also think of a number of religious(aka christian) people, including myself who dont have a problem at all. Different demographics in the UK probably, people don't tend to be as fundamental over here as in the US.

[jdjtcagle]

Well everyone gots a opinion and everone choses what they believe in.
It's just one of those some do and some don't things

[Zeronet]

Yes, but predujice is unacceptable.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan
Stu: I don't know a single atheist who hates gays - and I know a lot of atheists

it's like this - 2 out of 3 three christians I know are homophobes - 0 out of every 100 atheists

I know quite a few aethists who do, myself.

Well, maybe not hate exactly, more disdain / dislike the idea.  I't spossibly down the nature of Scotland / Glasgow itself.  'tis a hard city Glasgow.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Stunaep
Yeah, well, but this board also has an general IQ higher than the general population, or at least so it seems. At least, I've seen a lot of people, who even don't know that the year is 2004 because Jesus was born 2004 years ago, and are actively opposed to gay marriages.

I guess, it ultimately comes down to general knowledge of the world. YOu get all kinds of people on both sides.

Yeah but for all the higher IQ's on this board we still see several of the christians having a go at gays and none of the atheists doing it.

 So either you're basically saying that we've somehow got an unrepresentative sample of atheists but a more representative one of christians. (which seems rather strange considering the numbers of both) or you're saying that christians are dumber on average (and I'm sure you don't want to go there!).

BTW Jesus was born 2007-2009 years ago if you want to be pedantic. King Herod died in 4BC so the dates must be wrong.

[Stunaep]

Um... yeah, well, **** happens.

Seriously, I know a lot of atheists who dislike gay marriage, and next to none christians who oppose it (and my sister's a christian for example), and seeing that Kazan is quite the opposite, then apparently it isn't that much about religion.