[Razor]

Ok I was talking to Reaper today about FS1 lucifer and he claims that the lucifer HAD beams in original 98 FS1, while I claimed that it actually had flux cannons (more commonly known as Shivan Super Lasers) so tell us, which one is right. We aren't regarding the destruction of Vasuda prime animation here. Just the game.

[Reaper]

Those were beams just like in FS2.

Who said i said Beams like in FS2?? They were beams, but not programmed well... and they sucked.. they went slowly to the target, like snail...

[Solatar]

Said in the tech description that they were flux cannons, but it also said there were three of them...

[Reaper]

Hmmm, maybe flux cannons are something else... But why in hell aren't any Flux cannons in FS2... is Flux cannon and Beam samed thing?

[Stunaep]

but according to FS2 they were beams, and considering, we usually prefer FS2 canon to FS1 canon, they were beams

[Razor]

Wait a minute. You can't take in concideration FS2. I was talking just about FS1. They weren't beams dude. They were flux cannons, lasers with a very long trail. If they were beams, they would fre continiously and they would have warmup and looping firing sound. So, no, in my opinion, the fs1 lucifer main weapons were flux cannons.

[Joey_21]

They were meant to be beams, but they were actually flux cannons in disguise. They had no characteristics like the beams we know in FS2. It was a simple shot with a very long tail, easily done.

[Galemp]

They were beams. They didn't look much like beams, but if they could have been beams they would have been. :thepimp: Freespace Port...

[Razor]

Originally posted by Razor


If they were beams, they would fre continiously and they would have warmup and looping firing sound. So, no, in my opinion, the fs1 lucifer main weapons were flux cannons.

I really hate quoting my-self but I had to.

GE I am talking about them being original beams like they are in Freespace 2 not some imitation or something. Now are they real beams (fs2 like) or not?

[vadar_1]

They are flux cannons, the beam that shattered vasuda prime was the weapon on the side of the Lucifer, it had four small arms  around the cannon that looked almost alive. It was in the fs2 intro movie... though i beleave on the wrong side. That was a beam, never used in game. Its forward cannons where flux cannons, in fs2 they are SReds because flux beams were out of date, and lucy was never used anyways in fs2. never once were those arm cannons called beams.

[Su-tehp]

I'm gonna take a leap of faith and say that the Lucy had flux cannons.

I'm also going to say that the flux cannons were prototype beam weapons. After the loss of the Lucy, the Shivans still in their home space managed to make improved beam weapons by modifing flux cannons in the time between FS1 and FS2.

And after studying captured Shivan technology and seeing the Lucy's flux cannons in action, us adaptable little Terrans and Vasudans made roughly the same leap in scientific invention in the same 32 years.

Of course, the Shivans' beams and our beams aren't the same; theirs cause more damage and are red in color, while ours are relatively wimpy and are green and yellow.

[Warlock]

Sides if I recall Fs1 weapons.tbl labeled them flux cannons also.
Been a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time since I've looked in that thing thou.

[diamondgeezer]

I really wouldn't worry about it too much. At the end of the day, what ever the Lucifer had, 'proper' beams are what we have today.

I say hoo-rah.

[aldo_14]

FS1 weapons.tbl ;

 Real FreeSpace weapons!
; From weapons.doc, Adam's spec.
; 7 Light Laser Cannon: Much like Descent lasers.  Less powerful than Heavies.
; 7 Heavy Laser Cannon: Self-explanatory.  Fires slightly slower.
; 7 Mass Driver Cannon: Fires shells of some sort, but oddly uses energy, since it's a cannon.
; 7 Flail Cannon: Rapid-fire energy-based weapon.  Shoots many smaller, rapid lasers.
; 7 Neutron Flux Cannon: Similar to Heavy Lasers, but more punch.  Could use a better name here.
;

Pretty useless, that.

Interesting, though, that the FS2 tbl entry for the Lucifer uses SReds, isn't it?  Hmmm......

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Interesting, though, that the FS2 tbl entry for the Lucifer uses SReds, isn't it?  Hmmm......

Yeah, I laughed my ass off for five whole minutes when I saw that...after I picked my jaw off the floor. SReds on a friggin' Lucifer? What dimwit thought that up?

Screw it, the Lucifer is carrying the LRed as its default beam weapons in DatDB (and they will get plenty of use, I can assure you. ) Thank God I can change the ships.tbl file.

I would have put BFReds on the Lucifer, but that seemed a little much.

[Sesquipedalian]

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian

[Knight Templar]

keeping with my prefered theme of the shivans being just plain better than us, i say they were (story-wise) beam cannons (BFReds I like to say they were ) but programming-wise, they sucked and didn't know what to do with them.

[Razor]

So according to all this you guys said,

- Lucifer didn't have beam cannons in FS1. It had flux cannons (Super Lasers)

- In fs2 Lucifer had SReds instead of Super Lasers.

Am I right?

[RandomTiger]

I think they were lasers in a earlier form of developement.

Edit: ops, said lasers when I meant beams.