[karajorma]

MIndGames starts before the events of FS2 but the main campaign is set a couple of years afterwards. The whole campaign is set in Sol though so it's pretty much what you were talking about

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian

C.  Volition didn't create beam weapon code in FS1, and thus the Shivan Super Laser was based on the flux cannon.  But someone at V didn't really like the way it looked, and the decision was made to upgrade the engine for FS2 by writing new code that produced more satisfactory results.  Beams as we know and love them were the result.

That's all there is to it.  Looking for some sort of reason within the FS-universe is about as silly as looking for a reason why the technology in Enterprise looks so much more advanced than the technology of the original Star Trek:  the actual and only answer is because one was made in the 1960's, and one was not.  In our case, FS2 had better tech for beams than FS1, that's all.

"It doesn't need to make any sense! It's a video game!"

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Blue Lion


"It doesn't need to make any sense! It's a video game!"

I suppose you enjoyed Battlefield Earth then. It doesn`t need to make sense either, it's just a film.

[Blue Lion]

Sarcasm, Karajorma. Karajorma, sarcasm. Now that you two have met, reread my post

[Solatar]

Somebody really needs to make that Lucifer with the beam on the side. Then the fighterbays could be put on the bottom, like the hecate.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
Sarcasm, Karajorma. Karajorma, sarcasm. Now that you two have met, reread my post

I said someone liked Battlefield Earth and yet you think I`m not familiar with the concept of sarcasm?

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Why do that when you can use this?

MY GOD! THAT'S AMAZING!!!

Sesq, you and I have GOT to talk, my man...

Does this zipfile have a readme? I don't know crap about any source code modifications or how they work...

And what the heck does SSLBeam stand for, anyway?

[Sesquipedalian]

Zip does have a readme, yes.  Treat it just like any other weapon mod.  

As for the source code modifications, one need only download fs2_open version 3.3 and use it instead of 1.2 (the patched commercial version).  If you use the SSLBeam with 1.2, it'll look and work fine.  If you run it with 3.3, it'll look fantastic (i.e. with moving textures).  Basically requires no special work on your part, just a decision of which version of the exe to double-click on.  
What I've done is rename the original exe from FS2.exe to origFS2.exe, and then rename fs2_open_3_3.exe (what you get when you download it from the SCP forum) to FS2.exe.  Then it starts from the launcher just like the original did.

SSLBeam stands for Shivan Super Laser Beam.

[Galemp]

Does it have the same damage-over-time proportion as the Shivan Super Laser? Because mine does.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Bobboau

yay!!! my code is being used

and they were beams, just becase of an engine limitation was a laser projectile used, and it is quite obvius that it was suposed to be a beam, but to be technical about it FS1 had no true beam weapons

Bingo! It WAS ment to be a beam but it isn't because of limitations and maybe not knowing how to make a beam. I dunno. Anyway. This is the conclusion. lucifer's main weapon IS NOT a beam. It's a alaser.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Razor
Bingo! It WAS ment to be a beam but it isn't because of limitations and maybe not knowing how to make a beam. I dunno. Anyway. This is the conclusion. lucifer's main weapon IS NOT a beam. It's a alaser.

It's the laser that causes damage like a beam!

Kinda like Chunky Soup (TM), the soup that eats like a meal.

[Knight Templar]

Kinda like Chunky Soup (TM), the soup that eats like a meal.  

meh.. I always thought it was obvious that it was beams though.. Why would the Lucy have its own special weapon that is gayer than beams if it simply was meant to be a beam, V just didn't know how to make it.

[Star Dragon]

I just opened my FS1 table... Best weapon is the Shivan Super laser... So this goes 1 of 2 ways.

  (1) By technical limitations on V's part (not the shivans) they were simply Super Lasers...
 
           or

  (2) We know what they are but they represented Shivan beams in the Lucifer's case... I voted Beams cause as a pilot in the Great War that's what I faced 32 years ago (GTVA time, actually it was like 3 weeks ago latest battle )

[Sesquipedalian]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Does it have the same damage-over-time proportion as the Shivan Super Laser? Because mine does.

 
Carefully crafted in every detail.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
So, if I read this right, the shivans didn't have beam technology for one of two reasons.

A. it simply didn't exist and they used the best tech available (flux). Which means the developed beams at the same time we did.

B. They did have beams but simply decided not to use them on the capital ships. Which, to make an analogy of it, would be like the US going to war againest a nation withut a modern army. (Not that big a stretch eh?)  And using old outdated weapons, just cause we don't need to use all the new shiny stuff.

C. The Lucy was the only ship in that scout fleet that had beam cannons.  Keep in mind that scout fleets are usually away for long periods of time.  Also keep in mind that the Lucifer was the only ship of its kind to be sighted by the GTVA.  

As for the location of the planet fragging cannons...



That clear enough for ya?

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Vertigo1

C. The Lucy was the only ship in that scout fleet that had beam cannons.  Keep in mind that scout fleets are usually away for long periods of time.  Also keep in mind that the Lucifer was the only ship of its kind to be sighted by the GTVA.  

And that makes sense storywise?

[Knight Templar]

and here's me thiking that FS2 intro was just another screw up..

Doesn't it in one of the cutscenes show the Lucy killing Vasuda with the foward cannons?

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Doesn't it show in one of the cutscenes show the Lucy killing Vasuda with the foward cannons?

Not quite, KT. In the cutscene involving the bombardment of vasuda Prime, we see (at ground level) a city being bombarded by a silver-blue beam from orbit, then we see the Lucy (in the background) in orbit around vasuda as one or two vasudan transports try to flee the system. We never actually see the Lucy fire on Vasuda in that cutscene.

[Knight Templar]

So maybe it was the alkyhol talking.. so what??

[Falcon X]

Originally posted by vadar_1
They are flux cannons, the beam that shattered vasuda prime was the weapon on the side of the Lucifer, it had four small arms  around the cannon that looked almost alive. It was in the fs2 intro movie... though i beleave on the wrong side. That was a beam, never used in game. Its forward cannons where flux cannons, in fs2 they are SReds because flux beams were out of date, and lucy was never used anyways in fs2. never once were those arm cannons called beams.

Nah what I believe is that was an older scout fleet.  You never really throw away things.

The Shivans obviously had extremely powerful weapons for quite sometime... not a simple upgrade like you say.