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What is God's Name?

There is no god
34 (55.7%)
Lord
4 (6.6%)
Yahweh/Jehovah
9 (14.8%)
Other (post in the thread and let us know)
14 (23%)

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Voting closed: November 22, 2002, 12:41:36 pm

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Offline Stealth

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Originally posted by Knight Templar


Thats perhaos the stupidest thing i've read in the last hour but it has merit. :D
 


oh it's stupid as hell!  i'll admit that!

but i think it'd be pretty fun :D

 

Offline Knight Templar

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When do we start?

We should do it like rpg/chess style!

* Knight Templar moves Crusader to E3, Galapagos Islands. Crusader uses combined power of Pope and Jesus to convert tortoises to Christianity. *

All your tortoise are belong to Jesus
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Offline Stealth

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lol naaaaa :D

the admins'd hate it ;)

 

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perhaps, but there's a difference between saying "man has grown 3 inches in 500 years" and saying "fish have changed into apes which have turned into men" in 5000 years.  it's illogical... and why you can't see that i really don't understand.

 


In 5000 years I could see why it would be illogical. But carbon dating of fossils indicates that living creatures have been around for millions of years and just because you can't see how something can happen doesn't mean it can't.

Like I said I'm not Pro-Evolution or Anti-God, I believe what I can see to be solid facts but you can't just discount something because it goes against something you believe in and personally I am suprised by a lot of the singular mindedness of some people (in general, not just here) because an open mind is one of the best things that humans possess.
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Offline Knight Templar

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[glow=orange red]Viva revolución! [/glow]

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Offline 01010

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Ahem! Ahem! Me too. I Christian right wing extreamist (as the libs say anyway). Me also a Rush-ite All who are not, will burn, very sad. Yes, very sad indead. :(


Then I choose to burn. This is the kind of attitude that rags me about the more extreme kinds of any religion really, the 'holier than thou' attitude which does nothing to help convert people to your cause in my opinion.
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Offline phreak

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religious extremism = bad

look where its got us:

Crusades
Indulgences/corruption
Inquisition
Suppression of science (not evolution, but Galileo and Copernicus)
Salem witchcraft trials
Arab-Israeli war
9/11
TV evanglists
mormons


im sure there is more.  I believe in God, but i'm too cynical to see the bad stuff about religion in general to do much more.  plus my pastor at my church raped kids
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Offline Warlock

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some people aren't smart enough to think past what most people believe, or what "sounds" logical... but hey.

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now here's an idea.  if we keep it clean, no flaming, etc. perhaps the admins would allow us to form teams.
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Ok first you say ppl that choose to believe something beyond the common believe (sciene or otherwise) that they're 'not smart enough'.........than say not to flame and to keep it clean ? :wtf:


Issues ?
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Offline Warlock

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Originally posted by 01010


In 5000 years I could see why it would be illogical. But carbon dating of fossils indicates that living creatures have been around for millions of years and just because you can't see how something can happen doesn't mean it can't.

Like I said I'm not Pro-Evolution or Anti-God, I believe what I can see to be solid facts but you can't just discount something because it goes against something you believe in and personally I am suprised by a lot of the singular mindedness of some people (in general, not just here) because an open mind is one of the best things that humans possess.


:yes:
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Offline Stealth

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Originally posted by Warlock



Ok first you say ppl that choose to believe something beyond the common believe (sciene or otherwise) that they're 'not smart enough'.........than say not to flame and to keep it clean ? :wtf:


Issues ? [/B]

ok now, uhhh, what the **** are you talking about?

seriously... in those three lines i couldn't decipher anything.  learn proper grammar, and learn to spell, and then come back, 'kay? :D

EDIT:  wait, i THINK... (just THINK) i'm getting what you're trying to say... are you saying that i said that anyone who chooses to believe something beyond what most people (the majority) believes aren't smart?

actually you're getting it wrong... i said GOOD FOR ANYONE who chooses to look past what most people think... i never said they're stupid!

also, calling the majority of people in general stupid is not flaming really.
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Offline Warlock

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My bad ,...between typing my reply and IE crashing 5 times I ended up typing 3 thoughts into the same thing :lol:

I meant the way it came across to me was the average person isn't smart enough to think beyond the common theories,...be them religious or scientific.

And check your own posts before *****ing about someone elses grammer and spelling ok ?
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Offline Su-tehp

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Here's what I think of organized religion in a nutshell:

(_|_)

,,|,,

As for the Great Flood being "proved" to have happened, I'm more likely to believe that evolution really did happen. Those millions-year-old hominid skeletons didn't just appear out of the grace of God, dudes...

Cripes, next people are going to start saying that the world really is only 6,000 years old and that the Big Bang theory is just a "scientific myth..."

And as for HotSnoj saying that those of us who don't beleive as he does being destined to burn in Hell...

...Well, I've seen Hell. I'm in law school, remember? Hell didn't impress me.

Oh and HotSnoj, your arrogance has earned you a gift from me:

*farts in HotSnoj's general direction*

If you guys enjoy stories of Hell and Damnation, I suggest you all go out and buy Demon:the fallen, an RPG just published by White Wolf Game Studios. It looks like an excellent game; you can find out more about it here:

http://www.white-wolf.com

And while I'm going through a shameless plug here, I'll leave you all with this question: Whatif Lucifer and the angels who rebelled against God didn't do it out of jealousy but did it out of love for Mankind and that unrequited love earned them nothing but an eternity in Hell?

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« Last Edit: November 25, 2002, 07:20:52 pm by 387 »
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Offline Warlock

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If you guys enjoy stories of Hell and Damnation, I suggest you all go out and buy Demon:the fallen, an RPG just published by White Wolf Game Studios. It looks like an excellent game; you can find out more about it here:

http://www.white-wolf.com

And while I'm going through a shameless plug here, I'll leave you all with this question: Whatif Lucifer and the angels who rebelled against God didn't do it out of jealousy but did it out of love for Mankind and that unrequited love earned them nothing but an eternity in Hell?


I've seen this ,...been a fan of WW's work for awhile now but currently was too involved in D20 SW,...but I do plan to pick it up even if it's just as a "good read".

One thing I've always enjoyed about WW games is how they blend fact and fiction to the point it could almost be taken as complete fact. ;)
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Offline Stryke 9

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*sigh*

HotSnoj, Stealth, Warlock, et al.: Fine. You're free to believe what you like. Stealth, I'll even partway agree with you that most people believe in what they do without understanding it fully, certainly not grasping the question and the available answers clearly enough to feel as strongly about it as they do. But this works both ways. There are just as many people who don't think about the universe they live in before giving a knee-jerk response to a rather significant question on any side of the argument. That's the nature of people- we're intellectually lazy but quick to form opinions by default. This thread is a case in point.
Personally, I can't offer any answers. I've taken an honest look at the universe around us, and what people have to say about it, and I can believe equally easily that there's some conscious force regulating it of one sort or another or that it exists on its own. I happen to find the latter particularly tantalizing, partially because many tenets of most of the major religions just don't hold water nowadays and partially because it's so much more interesting an idea to think that it formed of itself than that some guy just plonked it out over a working week plus overtime.
In a complete vaccuum of concrete information pointing conclusively either way, where the only thing that one can even begin to trust is personal observation, I think it's a bit arrogant to claim some higher knowledge of the workings of the world. Observe, deduce, hypothesize, but don't assume you understand it- if you drop your preconceptions and specious third-party data (such as the Bible, as well as quantum physics), you'll find that you don't know substantially more than you did as an infant, or have a much deeper comprehension of what, how, and why than does any living thing. Theorize if you like, but never take the stance that you know everything, or you'll never learn anything- and then you've defeated the whole point of thinking about the Universe.



I will say this, though. HotSnoj, if there is a God, and he's as bigoted, narrow-minded, and outright sadistic as you claim your God to be, I wouldn't worship him anyway on principle. I'd sooner go to whatever would await in Hell than bow down to the biggest bastard in the Universe.
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Offline Sesquipedalian

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Originally posted by Stryke 9
where the only thing that one can even begin to trust is personal observation, I think it's a bit arrogant to claim some higher knowledge of the workings of the world.  
I'm not sure that one can even trust that much with certainty.  I've had too much philosophy not to know better than that.  

Ultimately we have NO certainties about ANYthing.  No matter what we do, all our thoughts must ultimately be founded on simply believing something.  My faith in my own senses is ultimately that, a faith.  If someone questions me, asking "What makes you think your senses are trustworthy?" the best answer I can make is "It is the only option I can take," which is merely another way of saying "Just because."

Which beliefs we choose as our foundation will determine what conclusions we reach.  Trying to prove them will always be a logically circular argument.  The better evaluative approach is to follow the consequences of a belief or set of beliefs and see how they align with our experience (assuming we have decided to believe our experience is legitimate, which most of us appear to do).  I find Christianity best accounts for what I have experienced.  I may be wrong, but no better alternative has come my way.  When I share my faith, I am inviting them to check it out, too.  I'm not trying to convince them, that God's job.  I'm just doing my part toset up the opportunity.
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Offline Su-tehp

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Waring: I am about to take this thread off-topic in order to give everyone a respite from the religious/trollish backbiting. Stand clear!

Warlock, dude, I've seen some of the pdf previews of Demon:the fallen on the White Wolf website; you will NOT be disappointed. WW pulled out ALL the stops to make this book. I've been talking a with a bunch of people on the White Wolf forums and pretty mch everyone agrees: not since Vampire: the Masquerade came out have people been so excited about the storytelling potential of a WoD game.

Demon: the Fallen is THAT good. :nod:

I've been looking for this book in my local bookstore for almost two weeks and haven't seen hide nor hair of it. I bit the bullet and ordered in online last week. It just arrived at my DC house today. When I get home tomorrow (thank God for Thanksgiving Break! :D) and after I meet up with Sandwich, I'm giving D:tF my full attention. I can't wait to read this book!

Oh, and Warlock, if you're interested in pdf character sheets for D:tF, a buddy of mine just made some White-Wolf quality character sheets for EACH of the seven Demon houses. If you want copies of these sheets for yourself, PM me. :)

And Stryke, you're absolutely right about what you said. I'm not religious, so whenever people get all uppity about saying that evolution is a farce and the Bible's version of history is the only "correct" one, I get peeved, but I think I've been doing the same thing with evolution. You're absolutely right in sayin that we have to do our own investigations for ourselves if we really want to comprehend the Universe.

No more parroting third-party data for me, not anymore.

Listen to Stryke, gang. Out of all the spamming done in this thread, Stryke cut right to the chase. His post is by far the smartest response seen in this thread so far.
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Offline Stealth

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And check your own posts before *****ing about someone elses grammer and spelling ok ?


phewww man chill :)
everything said in this thread means nothing offensive :) some of us (myself included) may get carried away, but nothing's meant personal! :)

 

Offline Warlock

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phewww man chill :)
everything said in this thread means nothing offensive :) some of us (myself included) may get carried away, but nothing's meant personal! :)


Sorry man....been sitting here all day nursing a swollen knee and I've gotten a bit *****y.
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Offline Su-tehp

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Originally posted by Stealth
everything said in this thread means nothing offensive :) some of us (myself included) may get carried away, but nothing's meant personal! :)


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Originally posted by HotSnoJ
Ahem! Ahem! Me too. I Christian right wing extreamist (as the libs say anyway). Me also a Rush-ite All who are not, will burn, very sad. Yes, very sad indead. :(


I dunno, Stealth, HotSnoj's comment that I and others like me are going to Hell seems pretty personal to me...

HotSnoj's spelling and grammar suck donkey, too. :rolleyes:
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Offline Warlock

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Originally posted by Su-tehp
Waring: I am about to take this thread off-topic in order to give everyone a respite from the religious/trollish backbiting. Stand clear!

Warlock, dude, I've seen some of the pdf previews of Demon:the fallen on the White Wolf website; you will NOT be disappointed. WW pulled out ALL the stops to make this book. I've been talking a with a bunch of people on the White Wolf forums and pretty mch everyone agrees: not since Vampire: the Masquerade came out have people been so excited about the storytelling potential of a WoD game.

Demon: the Fallen is THAT good. :nod:

I've been looking for this book in my local bookstore for almost two weeks and haven't seen hide nor hair of it. I bit the bullet and ordered in online last week. It just arrived at my DC house today. When I get home tomorrow (thank God for Thanksgiving Break! :D) and after I meet up with Sandwich, I'm giving D:tF my full attention. I can't wait to read this book!

Oh, and Warlock, if you're interested in pdf character sheets for D:tF, a buddy of mine just made some White-Wolf quality character sheets for EACH of the seven Demon houses. If you want copies of these sheets for yourself, PM me. :)

And Stryke, you're absolutely right about what you said. I'm not religious, so whenever people get all uppity about saying that evolution is a farce and the Bible's version of history is the only "correct" one, I get peeved, but I think I've been doing the same thing with evolution. You're absolutely right in sayin that we have to do our own investigations for ourselves if we really want to comprehend the Universe.

No more parroting third-party data for me, not anymore.

Listen to Stryke, gang. Out of all the spamming done in this thread, Stryke cut right to the chase. His post is by far the smartest response seen in this thread so far.



Actually Walden's near me had a few copies of it,.... normally most of the Walden's and Books-A-Million here in Richmond have at least one of each of the main WW books.

As far as a pdf CharSheet,..I'm not really worried about one for a few reasons. Mostly because I doubt I'll actually play the game since my SW group only averages 1 game per month it'd be nearly impossible to gear them into trying a new game AND system and intermixing the games. (Most of the players are either the "been playing SW for a year or more but no other systems" or the "never played squat before and still learning D20-Sw"

Dude .... we seriously had one chic....during her 8th game or so....ask which skill was needed for her Jedi to move an object.

Of course I politely pointed to her Force Skills on the charsheet to the skill "move object"


Now ya think ppl like this would be good to introduce a new system too ? :D   LOL

But thanks for the offer. ;) I'll still grab the game for my collection at least ;7
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