[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506
hit"q" or "a" ( dunno, english keyboard stuff) to be sure.
anyway if it's 15.3 k, there's no way even if it was an untriangulated mesh it would turn to be more than 100k.
see my point? there's obviously something else.

Venom, the 100k vs 200k numbers were picked as an illustrative example of the difference between quads and triangles NOT AS NUMBERS FROM RYX' MESH.

You seem to be confusing me talking about Ryx's mesh and me talking about the differences between quads and triangles (both of which are polys AND faces).

Are you clear now, or do you need me to explain it in more detail?

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


No, the vertex count hasn't changed, but a TWO TRIANGLES have twice as much ancillary data (you know, normals, UV and surfacing information, etc) than ONE QUAD. There /is/ a difference. If there was no difference, I wouldn't have mentioned it, would I? Fire up Lightwave and give it a shot so you know what I'm talking about.

No: the quads are still dealed as triangles, , like it or not, coz otherwise explain me how... hmm... an exemple... yeah: there's still one normal per triangle, otherwise how would the prog deal a spheric UV mapping on a non planar poly? Damn, I sure think all I've learned about 3D basis during my max formation wasn't pure crap
Don't wanna fire up LW as you say (couldn't even find the polycount key anyway ), but I can get a look at the max file if Ryx can provide it to me

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


Venom, the 100k vs 200k numbers were picked as an illustrative example of the difference between quads and triangles NOT AS NUMBERS FROM RYX' MESH.

You seem to be confusing me talking about Ryx's mesh and me talking about the differences between quads and triangles (both of which are polys AND faces).

Are you clear now, or do you need me to explain it in more detail?

I took ryx mesh as an exemple too, just try, a sphere made with quads, and the same sphere triangulated, make a render, compare the render times. it's that simple

[Ryx]

Originally posted by venom2506


...but I can get a look at the max file if Ryx can provide it to me

What's your version of MAX?

I modeling this in MAX 5.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506


I took ryx mesh as an exemple too, just try, a sphere made with quads, and the same sphere triangulated, make a render, compare the render times. it's that simple

Take a 100k quad sphere and rotate it in realtime. TIME THE UPDATES.

Triangulate the same sphere. Now its 200K triangles. Rotate the sphere in realtime. TIME THE UPDATES.

Shock! Horror! Gasp! Surprise! The 200k Triangle sphere takes much longer per frame to update than the 100k Quad does even though the vertex count is exactly the same. I'm not talking about renders, I'm talking about dealing with the mesh.

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


Take a 100k quad sphere and rotate it in realtime. TIME THE UPDATES.

Triangulate the same sphere. Now its 200K triangles. Rotate the sphere in realtime. TIME THE UPDATES.

Shock! Horror! Gasp! Surprise! The 200k Triangle sphere takes much longer per frame to update than the 100k Quad does even though the vertex count is exactly the same. I'm not talking about renders, I'm talking about dealing with the mesh.

well, what can I say? [stupidity removed too, coz it was unfonded criticism] there's not a single difference in max. Anyway, think what you want, I need not prove anything. Case closed for me.
Ryx: I use Max5 too, but it's a prerelease version, so it might not be able to read the file

[mikhael]

[edit]stupidity removed[/edit]

[Terawatt_99]

sweet looking windows, keep up the excellent work :yes:

[vyper]

How render in game:
Got Wildcat?

Seriously, I'm impressed.

[KillMeNow]

heard there might be the need of this here

http://www.kaydara.com/partners/sdk/fbx/index.php

its a file format that will allow transfaer of 3dmodels from any package to any other(well teh main ones anyway)

enjoy

[mikhael]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
heard there might be the need of this here

http://www.kaydara.com/partners/sdk/fbx/index.php

its a file format that will allow transfaer of 3dmodels from any package to any other(well teh main ones anyway)

enjoy

Useful--but only for people who have one of the following:
3ds max 4, 4.2, 4.3, 5
maya 4.0, 4.5
Softimage 3.8sp2, 3.9, 4.0
lightwave 7.0, 7.5
XSI

Us LW6 users are right out.

If it supported LW6/6.5 and Truespace, I'd say we had a winner.

[KillMeNow]

i'd try it anyway lw 7 still uses the lw 6 file format - a model modeled in lw 7.5 and saved as normal will open happily in 6

[mikhael]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
i'd try it anyway lw 7 still uses the lw 6 file format - a model modeled in lw 7.5 and saved as normal will open happily in 6

I thought there were some differences between LWOB between 6 and 7. Isn't LW7 using LWOB-2.5 instead of LWOB-2.0?

[KillMeNow]

not 100% but when i got ot export models i can save as lw 5.lwo but not lw 6.lwo

as i said worth a try

[phreak]

mein gott!

heilige scheiß

great work

[Ryx]

Thanks.

I'm going to try and redo the front.
This bit here;


So polycount is down to ~13.5 kpolys.

Windows are finished. Problem with both Boolean and shapemerge tools, make adding more windows very difficult.

[Sandwich]

Is that the same pic as before?

[Ryx]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Is that the same pic as before?

Yes. I just wanted to show what part, I was changing.

[Carl]

you don't have to try and bring down the polycount when it's only 13.5k. large ship models like that usually go up to ten times that much.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Carl
you don't have to try and bring down the polycount when it's only 13.5k. large ship models like that usually go up to ten times that much.

No, he's trying to bring it down to ~13.5k polygons.