[Stryke 9]

Eh, that's being a rat. Don't favor it as a tactic, personally.

Once again, probably the fastest and best way to solve it is to get real. School doesn't matter; if they've got such lacking personal lives that they have nothing better to do than harass other kids for kicks, who gives a **** what they think? They're losers (too?). Get a life outside school- doesn't have to be a social life, doesn't have to be something that impresses them, just something where you know, no matter what those little ****s say or think, you've got a much more satisfying life than they do, and they can **** themselves with their faces for all it matters. Or, just do without and come to accept the fact that it really doesn't matter, even if you don't have an outside life- the Zen approach.

[Nobilis Draco]

get a tactical baton they make up for differences in size well. aim for ribs, arms, legs. things that hurt but don't kill a well placed strike to the throught or temple will kill so don't aim there.

thread reminds me of a fight I had with my best friend in middle school. he was 6'2" and weighed 220lbs in 8th grade the kid was like a damn 14 year old linebacker. it was right after his father died of terminal illness. we where at lunch messsing around, I threw a cracker at him and he just SNAPED like a damn twig! he got a blow or two to the side of my before we grapled trowing a table over. I got control of both his hands and let him back me into a wall so he couldn't knock me down. swung him into the wall just as he grabed my shirt collar ripping it. that pissed me off. I grabed his ear placing my thumb over his eye applying firm but light preasure stating "you rip my shirt and i'll ****ing kill you!" we just stood there for about 15 seconds staring at each other. until I sugeted we "stop before some gets hurt." as I increased the preausure on his eye. he promtly stood down. we where back to being best friends within 30 seconds. The moral of this story is... it isn't size or streangth it's finesse, rapiers over broadswords.

[Bobboau]

while you might not care what they think you will care about what they do,
when they get tired of no responce from you or you turning there insults back at them (oftine hard to do when every one around is trying to pick on you and will thus ignor or mock anything you say) and they decide that beating you with a metal bar would be more fun, you would soon much prefer the taunting

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
Working out's bull****. Pay good money for the same muscles you'd get being paid for manual labor- and for what?

 

I mean in your spare time. Sure you could do Labor, I never said you couldn't.

[Stryke 9]

Bob: Angry, aren't we?

Look, nobody's gonna be beating anyone with a metal bar, unless you live in the housing projects at Crackville and all your classmates have had prison sentences. They're just punk-ass, generally middle class white kids, in this and nearly every case, with ****ty, boring home lives, severe hormonal disorders, and in most other ways every bit like the people they harass only they have stronger pack sense and (sometimes) physical superiority. Having been on both sides of the equation (more or less, I never really ****ed with anyone who didn't deserve it, though I felt the urge to and no doubt would have if past experiences hadn't made me understand the receiving end), I can safely say that they will do nothing dangerous unless provoked to. And ignoring them is not provocation- though getting snooty or talking back can be.

So long as you don't take it seriously, they can't take it seriously- because, honestly, these kids literally never think about this, and it never occurs to them that merely talking **** can hurt other kid's feelings, etc. To them, it's just ****ing around, and they don't really expect anyone to get hurt too much by it, most of the time (sometimes you get a real sadist, who doesn't even consider others CAPABLE of being as put out as they would be, and thus will invariably take it waay too far). Piss them off, though, pick a fight, and that's another story.

[Bobboau]

I _WAS_ beaten with a metal bar (a small one, only 1/4th an inch wide so it hurt more than did any damage) and simply becase I was trying to keep away from them, and (if you read my first post) a bat, granted it was plastic, but it wasn't a wifel ball bat, it was about the strength of thick PVC, the things I experienced went way further than simple ****ing around, it was direct and intentional malice.
and I don't live in crackville, I live in Belleville, and the school I went to had a wonderfull mixture of poor street thugs and stuck up rich brats all brought together under the cause of makeing my life a liveing hell.

[Stryke 9]

Well then, you either live in a really ****ed-up town, or did something to piss them off, because that's one hell of a lot of hostility directed at you.

[Levyathan]

I think the simplest solution would be to buy a freaking backpack!

[Bobboau]

I started to get teased, I followed the old addage "just ignore them and they'll go away", it didn't work

[Deepblue]

Psyching them out is the best. Try walking up to them while they are with there "bad friends" and say something along the lines of "That was really nice of you to help the senior center." There friends will give them strange looks. As you walk away. Or you could just use incredibly large words that they dont understand, which in turn makes them feel stupid. And NEVER fight unless you have too. Some kid tried hurting me. After I accidentaly stepped on his leg (He was sitting in the middle of a crowded hall) I got a few scratches and detention. But I didn't get suspended. If someone tries to beat you up after school hours, A: Learn Karate and scare the Freakin heck out of them or B: Learn a wrestling move called the firemans carry. If executed properly you can humiliate the victim without actually causing harm (prevents suspension/detention) and deliver him to the office as a nice bundled package for ridicule. Another thing you could do is learn some martial arts. And block everything he does without actually attacking them. It helps if you make it seem carefree. Embarressment is the ultimate weapon against those types of people. Just my 2 cents.

[Midnight Mercenary]

hmm...going to a school which was comprised of mostly lower class ethnic minorities (hell, being white put me in one of the smallest groups in the school)...there also was the IB program (for "smart" people...only reason I went to that school). Got **** for being the "nerd" (as just about everyone else in IB experienced) for two years. Finally snapped one day when they actually tried physically messing with me, grabbed the closest ****er (there were three) by his neck as hard as I could shoving him into a wall, tripped the next guy, and grabbed the arm of the last and pulled him past me into the guy I tripped. By now we're surrounded by people. First guy is up and coming at me again, so I side step (dumb**** runs right on by), and grab him buy the neck again, using his momentum to run him into a locker. I then stand behind him pulling an arm up till he can't do a thing other than beg me to let go, and tell him to quit being stupid. After all that (about a brief minute or two total) I simply let go, and walk through the ring of people who had been watching.

No teachers or anything, and after that, they didn't say a thing about me where I could hear it. Funny thing is, I've never been in any fight or confrontation before or since...I'm a thin guy, almost no apparent muscle, scrawny as hell...surprised myself and quite a few others. Only suggestion I've got is to deal with it. Don't let it go on and get worse...

[vyper]

Y'know it was days like that back in high-school that made me wish I was in America with the right to bear arms...

[kasperl]

i've read this thread, and i think that they're a few good tips here, thanks guys!

anyway, the "just ignore them and they'll go away" thing doesn't work for me anymore. in elementary school i got harrased form the time i was 5, till i was 11, and a some more later,but that wasn't that bad. anyway, i kinda lost all of my patience since, and i can't stand poeple even trying to touch me because of all the fights i got in back then. a couple of weeks ago, a friend wanted to pat me on the back, and i had his arm twisted on his back and him against a wall before either of us knew what was going on. and that isn't just an exception,more like everyday life.

and i really tried to ignore this, for six god damnt months! after that i got that weird call from that idiot, the one i talked about in the first post. and i kinda snapped. im went to a teacher about it, and they said they couldn't do anythng without a name,and i couldn't start naming half the school. i also tried to talk to them and ask them to STFU, in a reasonable calm manner. but, it just got worse.

and to add to that, the problem is i really don't want to get in any fights, not again. because in my time in elementary school, i learned to fight mean, very mean. since i wasn't strong enough to do anything normally, my only chance was going for throats and trying to evade the punches.

i actually have problems controlling my temper, i haven't got really mad for about 2 years now, and i'm very proud of that. in elmentary, i sometimes went completely out of controll, and i mean completely. i didn't know what i was doing, and i only wanted to hurt the poeple harrasing me. right after of those tantrums, i would completely collapse and would hideout in some corner crying. i really, really, don't want to let that happen, ever again.

i think i might do something like tai chi, or anything that will let me controll both my temper and my body a lot better, but i don't know any good teachers/schools in the area.

anyway, thanks a lot for the responses!

[Stryke 9]

Ignoring them's different from not caring. If you don't give a **** what they call you, then it doesn't matter if they stop or not.

Because, short of abasing yourself or scaring them into making nice, you CAN'T make them stop. You can hope they grow up, but that doesn't always happen and it's a bit of a wait, anyway. If they're not actually physically beating the crap out of you unprovoked, there's nothing to really give a **** about- and you really have to abandon emotional responses for this sort of thing. I mean, it's not like they're some superior beings who have looked into the recesses of your soul and disapproved of what they saw- they're just bored teenagers making up whatever insults come to their heads. Doesn't mean anything, really.

Mostly, sounds like you're still holding on to the hope that you'll be accepted at some point. That doesn't happen so long as you make a good verbal lunch, and, if you're still hanging on their approval, it only happens when you become a follower, at the sacrifice of your own personality. In other words, it's when you stop wanting it that you can get it.

[kasperl]

it's not that i want them to accept me, but i can't stand the thought of myself freaking out again. i'm just evry afraid ofmore people getting hurt, just because i got mad.
i think i'll try tai chi or someting, perhaps that will help.

[Stealth]

a lot of kids have briefcases at my school, mostly just the ones that want to be different

[kasperl]

i just want my books in one piece, and i'm the only one. some poeple have those shoulder bags though, and they don't get harrased. ah well, even if i wouldn't have that briefcase, they'd probably find something else...........

[Stealth]

you guys are all stupid... no really... you're encouraging kasper to fight his way out of his problems!?

two things, ranging from least important to most important

  1) If you're small, don't get in a fight with anyone
  2) Fighting isn't a solution... some people think that way... "if someone messes with me, i'll beat the crap out of him"...

never every get in a fight unless you're cornered, and have to defend yourself... if you at all have to, get away, even if someone punches you, walk away.  you'll look like a coward at the time, but people will respect you for it.

you mentioned tai chi... that's effective, but you'll only learn to fight after 10-12 years or so of practicing it.

listen to me now, don't get in fights... i've seen some of my friends that have third degree belts in martial arts get 0wned by ordinary people... you see, size DOES matter... if you're 5'10" and skinny and you get in a fight with someone who's 6'1" and is well built, it doesn't matter how well you know martial arts... adrenhaline is a very powerful drug... you can get kneed, punched, kicked, and you'll still keep going... this works the same with the person you attack.  even if the person you want to fight is smaller than you... if he's fat, or more built than you are, chances are he'll win.  size and height DOES matter.

above all, dont' listen to these guys, i don't encourage violence.  if someone makes fun of you, you don't fight them, c'mon, this isn't a movie.

[JR2000Z]

Originally posted by Midnight Mercenary
there also was the IB program (for "smart" people...only reason I went to that school.

Yeah, they have one of those in my school too.

[Stryke 9]

Originally posted by Stealth
you guys are all stupid... no really... you're encouraging kasper to fight his way out of his problems!?
 

What's that, punk? No, say it again. I wanna know. What'd you say?

[shoves]