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Well, ****, did they really expect to get it perfect the first time?

What I like are the assholes who are taking this as evidence that cloning should be banned forever. I can imagine these people's great-grandparents were around just in time to heckle the airplane in the exact same way.:D

 

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well, it really wasn't technically the first time, it was the first time it actually lived for a reasonable amount of time. when you make a clone, you impregnate the mother with hundreds of embryos, because the chances are so slim of it actually working.
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Ian Wilmut, the leader of the team that created Dolly, said it was unlikely her illness was attributable to being a clone.


So there. :p
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But she'd gotten premature arthritis and **** before. Odds are, there was some gene damage- after all, modern methods are a pretty crude way of extracting genes.

 

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It says that there were a number of other sheep nearby with the same disease and the various other clones in the world are fine, so I would think the cause is rather obvious in this case... :p

 

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Well, seeing the fundies' record for being right when it comes to science, you know what that means...


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But she'd gotten premature arthritis and **** before. Odds are, there was some gene damage- after all, modern methods are a pretty crude way of extracting genes.


It's all about Tellemeres.  The body's clock.  If you read how they do that type of cloning... she was acutally rather old when she was born.
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So there. :p

You don't honestly expect the man to say "oh yeah, we had problems with the cloning process that lead to this... we can't do it right" do you? :)

 
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Thats a scary thought barbarian...

But I'm all for pharmaceutical cloning. The cloning of tissues, cells etc to cure diseases. But not reproductive cloning.
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1 Question - Why Clone, Whats the Point - all that will hapen is that the Political Leaders will get Cloned i the End - Imagine that, 10 Tony Blairs or George Bushes:shaking: :nervous: :shaking:


or two carls :shaking:
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or two carls :shaking:


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1 Question - Why Clone, Whats the Point


Still going to be saying that if 30 years from now one of your kidneys packs up and you can`t get a transplant? Cloning and Stem cell research go hand in hand. Master it and we could grow you a new kidney in a few weeks or months from a cheek swab.

It would also be good for curing diseases like parkinsons and altzhiemers (sp)
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You guys have absolutely no education into Biology or cloning do you?

They won't be identical personalities.  They'll look the same... but keep in mind the thing has to grow... ie. it'll be a baby.  But a 50 year old baby.  The DNA has been spliced to many times.  (That's when you lose tellemers and thus aging occurs.  When you're out of them, the cell no longer reproduces.)

Seriously no wonder hysteria happens all of the time now... no one is educated worth a damn.
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Er... I didn't see anything that suggested that anyone thought a clone would think and act like you, except for the predictable dumb jokes that have been recycled from back when people believed the four humors controlled your body.

There'd be some DNA damage, but it's not a "50 year old baby" at all. In fact, most of the degradation likely comes from the extraction and insertion process (sticking a needle in a cell, sucking up an infinitely complex and delicate chemical compound, then squirting it into another cell is a recipe for a few mismatched mucleotides at best)- if your DNA itself mutated and degraded that dramatically and that fast, you'd have 30 different kinds of cancer by age 30. As it is, that **** can last for 20,000 years when well-preserved, and that's the inside margin.

The telomeres themselves may be slightly more prone to degradation, but not that much- get the DNA from a nerve cell or something else that hasn't replicated n billion times, everything'd be practically good as new- which, to all intents and purposes, it would be. That's what they get them from normally, precisely for this reason. And even if they didn't- telomeres can repair or replace themselves, which is a known fact, and they generally do.

At any rate, the fact that old people well beyond their seventies still have replicating cells (or else they'd be dust in short order) is a testament to the fact that major chromosome damage does not occur over time. Generally, it's a mechanical failure that does someone in, something that has little or nothing to do with degrading genes. The one exception is cancer, which means that only a handful of copies of DNA out of billions went funky.

In other words, wait until you actually know substantially more than other people around you before getting snooty. Better yet, don't do it at all, because you just end up looking an asshole when someone comes around and proves you wrong.
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Cloned sheep indeed, I tell ya, some people will do anything for a bit of extra 'business' on the side ;)
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Is it a menage a trois when the other two are clones?