[Warlock]

LOL Where and when as Bush been a Tyrant ?

Oh and while some want to whine about the US having WMD ,... ask yourself.... when the hell have we used one since WW2 ?


*Doesn't seem to recall us nuking anyone lately*

[kode]

Michael Moore is one of my biggest idols from now on. Don't you understand that he wants you to get all upset and ***** about what he says?

He has a lot of good opinions, that man. Takes courage to not believe everything you're fed with all day long.

[kode]

Originally posted by Warlock
LOL Where and when as Bush been a Tyrant ?

Oh and while some want to whine about the US having WMD ,... ask yourself.... when the hell have we used one since WW2 ?


*Doesn't seem to recall us nuking anyone lately*

lemme see....

the 40's, the 50's, the 60's. especially under the 50's. "You" nuked half of the nevada desert, ffs.

[Rictor]

I havent seen bowling for columbine, but my bro  has and says its a great movie

Personally, I dont like the oscars. While people are dying of hunger, they pay millions of dollars so that snooty rich actors can have their day. I find it hard to support anyone who has 2 tvs and 3 cars in their household (read: of americans) while people die of hunger..

Its easy to keep quite and not have an opinion, its harder to stand up against popular opinion. The true morons are all those people  who yell "liberal hippies" as soon as you try to think for yourself ..they are so afraid to argue because they know their arquements would not stand closer examination.

Debate isnt a bad thing, the lack thereof is. Anyone who tries to stir things up and try to get it out in the open is good in my book..


*Doesn't seem to recall us nuking anyone lately*

really? I havent killed anyone lately, it was just that once.. (I havent actually killed anyone, its for the sake of converstation, duh) Once is enough. The A-Bomb was MUCH worse than anything Saddam ever did, is doing or will ever do. And yet, I dont see too many people that are particualry ashamed of what the US did. Just imagine, if someone (Iraq, UK, France..anyone) did that today, the US would be up in arms, yelling "worst crime ever, worst crime ever", but since the US did it, it was A OK

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by CP5670

The puppet government is probably the best idea, but it needs to be a government which looks like a democracy from the outside but is really staged and operated by Americans in secret; both the Iraqis and the rest of the world can be made to believe this, which would work out perfectly.

So that would be the Uk, then?

[an0n]

Cities nuked by US: 2 (debatably 3 attempts)
Cities nuked by Iraq: 0

Wars started by US: What? About 10?
Wars started by Iraq: 1 (debatable)

Covert Operations performed by US: *can't count that high*
Covert Operations perfromed by Iraq: Almost none.

Considering how the US sends assasins after anyone they deem 'counter productive to America' and kitting up 'freedom fighters' to overthrow people they don't like, methinks they're on pretty shaky ground to start accusing others of being evil.

And Warlock, it doesn't matter wether America has nuked anyone recently, the mere possesion of the weapons suggests that given enough provokation, they would. And this should not be allowed.

No-one should posses enough weaponry to annihilate the human race as the only thing such weaponry could ever be used for is precisely that.

I mean, for God sake, when the **** is America going to need to nuke the Earth 10 times over?

[SKYNET-011]

When they start losing a war...

[an0n]

Originally posted by SKYNET-011
When they start losing a war...

True enough.

[Warlock]

LOL Thought I'd get a responce on that

You know ... the A bomb in WW2 was a hellish thing to do,... but then again look at the times/circumstances.

Nevada .... gee go figure... we used our own desert as a testing ground... well damn.

the point is Saddam's weapons are being removed because he's used them on his own damned ppl before, and we know he wouldn't hesitate to use them on anyone.

As to getting rid of them... you know there's been of discussion about that .... one thing ... what the hell do you do with that many? Plus you've still got of old school military that feel the best defense is a plausible offense. The old Cold War effect "Well you know if we nuked them....they'd just nuke us back and kill the planet,...hmmm let's rethink this"

It's a nice thought ,...having a world free of mass weapons,....or hunger for that matter,...or poor,...list goes on.... it's never gonna happen... but it paints pretty mental images.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by SKYNET-011
When they start losing a war...

If that were true we'd have already done it by now.

[Razor]

The thing is that USA can't use it's Nuclear weapons even though they have them.

[kode]

Originally posted by Warlock

Nevada .... gee go figure... we used our own desert as a testing ground... well damn.
 

Thing is, you asked when you've used it after WW2...
you also used your own military to see how to survive a nuclear war (yes, there were maneuvers under the test bombings in nevada). also, you nuked a whole bunch of islands in the pacific.
and just because you didn't make the argument I wanted you to, I'll counter it anyway:
"Hey! I wasn't using these drugs, officer. I was just testing them!"

[Rictor]

excuse me, but is there EVIDENCE that he has the weapons? the inspectors found nothing, despite being there for about 2 months (almost 3 i think), having the latest technology and being experts in the field. Just because Saddam refused to cooperate does mean anything. The recently discovered chemical plant is harmless, even the US has confirmed that. If they can start a war without proof, it makes you wonder what else they can do. If suspecting something is enough, then they have  a blank cheque for war..

sometimes I wonder if anyone even reads my arguements

[Warlock]

LOL Ok you got me I did say Used and not used in conflict

to the little "testing drugs" .... aside from the fact that isn't anywhere near the same analogy,.... would you prefer the US had developed them and not tested them until use ?

"Well sir we think this missile would only harm the target zone"
"Think?"
"Well,... we didn't test them yet"
"Well,... damn....I guess now is as good a time as any"

*POOF One less habitable continant*

As far as troops manuvers under those conditions .... I'll have to take your word on that one. *shrug*

Just curious... do you hold the same faults with other countries that have and tested their Nukes? Or just the US ?

[Shrike]

Ok, this is going into the Iraq thread......

[Warlock]

quote]Originally posted by Rictor
excuse me, but is there EVIDENCE that he has the weapons? the inspectors found nothing, despite being there for about 2 months (almost 3 i think), having the latest technology and being experts in the field. Just because Saddam refused to cooperate does mean anything. The recently discovered chemical plant is harmless, even the US has confirmed that. If they can start a war without proof, it makes you wonder what else they can do. If suspecting something is enough, then they have  a blank cheque for war..

sometimes I wonder if anyone even reads my arguements [/quote]

Ok read.

If you payed attention,...you'll find the main flaw in "He just didn't cooperate" is that fact that .... that alone was enough reason for an armed force to go into Iraq and make 100% sure they had none. He was in breech of what ... 12 UN Resultions,... plus simple fact that it was a term of the cease fire from DS.

Do you really think 2 months ,...hell a year ... is long enough for that little UN group of inspectors to search the entire freaking country of Iraq?  Besides ,... sadly some of what they found when clearing a Hospital points out that the troops may be encountering Chem Weapons shortly,... the NBC Suits and masks prepped and ready for distro. Bad Sign.

Now don't get me wrong... after it's all said and done if the US still fails to find any MWDs,... I'll start a whole thread on it just to say "Well **** we were wrong afterall" ,... but currently I don't believe it nor do I believe they've had nearly enough time in this war to even hint one way or the other.




Well **** Shrike,... you could have just removed the tail end ,....Sorry I ruined your thread on the Oscars guys

[kode]

Originally posted by Warlock
LOL Ok you got me I did say Used and not used in conflict

to the little "testing drugs" .... aside from the fact that isn't anywhere near the same analogy,.... would you prefer the US had developed them and not tested them until use ?

"Well sir we think this missile would only harm the target zone"
"Think?"
"Well,... we didn't test them yet"
"Well,... damn....I guess now is as good a time as any"

*POOF One less habitable continant*

As far as troops manuvers under those conditions .... I'll have to take your word on that one. *shrug*

Just curious... do you hold the same faults with other countries that have and tested their Nukes? Or just the US ?

"Well, mate, you think this drugs are addictive?"
"dunno. haven't tried them yet."
"ok. let's take our chances"

and, ya. I boycotted france when they tested nukes in the pacific couple o' years ago, if that's what you're wondering.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Rictor
excuse me, but is there EVIDENCE that he has the weapons? the inspectors found nothing, despite being there for about 2 months (almost 3 i think), having the latest technology and being experts in the field. Just because Saddam refused to cooperate does mean anything. The recently discovered chemical plant is harmless, even the US has confirmed that. If they can start a war without proof, it makes you wonder what else they can do. If suspecting something is enough, then they have  a blank cheque for war..

sometimes I wonder if anyone even reads my arguements

Of course there are no evidence. If sadam had WMD he would have used them against america but he doesn't. America just loves to put itself in danger so that they could find a reason to attack someone. They accused Saddam for having weapons of mass destruction and that he is a threat to the stability in the world. So I suppose that USA is then a threat to stability of the entire Milky Way galaxy. Just as they accused Milosevic for crimes against humanity. Hello? He didn't commit  mass mureders in multiple nations so that he could be accused for crimes against humanity. If anyone should be accused for crimes against humanity then that would be Clinotn, Madlen Albreit(sp), Tony Blair and Bush.

[Rictor]

Ok read.

If you payed attention,...you'll find the main flaw in "He just didn't cooperate" is that fact that .... that alone was enough reason for an armed force to go into Iraq and make 100% sure they had none. He was in breech of what ... 12 UN Resultions,... plus simple fact that it was a term of the cease fire from DS.

Those resolutions were signed under threat of force. That makes them invalid. Just like confesions signed under threat of force are void, so is this. If Iraq came into the US and said "can you let us poke around a bit, just to make sure", would the US cooperate? The US has NO right to tell another sovereign country what weapons it can and cannot have.

Do you really think 2 months ,...hell a year ... is long enough for that little UN group of inspectors to search the entire freaking country of Iraq?  Besides ,... sadly some of what they found when clearing a Hospital points out that the troops may be encountering Chem Weapons shortly,... the NBC Suits and masks prepped and ready for distro. Bad Sign.


Lets see, 300 inspectors, with the best equipment, with 3 months time.. yes I think so. Maybe not enough time to search the entire country, but they would have atleast found SOMETHING. Its pretty hard to hide as many weapons as the US claims Iraq has. PLus, you dont know where the inspectors will go next, so you cant just relocate them.


Now don't get me wrong... after it's all said and done if the US still fails to find any MWDs,... I'll start a whole thread on it just to say "Well **** we were wrong afterall" ,... but currently I don't believe it nor do I believe they've had nearly enough time in this war to even hint one way or the other.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by kode


"Well, mate, you think this drugs are addictive?"
"dunno. haven't tried them yet."
"ok. let's take our chances"

and, ya. I boycotted france when they tested nukes in the pacific couple o' years ago, if that's what you're wondering.

It wasn't but does that mean you've boycotted the US too?