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do you think we should, you know...

I am an american and I think we should
25 (26%)
I am american and I don't think we should
14 (14.6%)
I am american and don't care what hapens
4 (4.2%)
I am not american and I think we (you) should
11 (11.5%)
I am not american and I don't think we (you) should
32 (33.3%)
I am not american and I don't care what you do
7 (7.3%)
I am american living elsewhere and will do it myself if they don't!
3 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 94

Voting closed: March 12, 2003, 05:52:55 pm

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Offline Dark_4ce

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Yeah, I know what you mean: "Secret spy sattelite launched today. Planned to observe Iraqi troop movements in the eastern border." :rolleyes:
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and ppl wonder why the military hates the media so much :) I'm just hoping they keep to plan and don't let the media get as much information as they want,... those fools would love to be able to do silly **** like "Tonight at 10, the attack plan for tomarrow!" :rolleyes:


I don't want the battle plans, but I'd pay big bucks for a pay-per-view channel with live footage from the war. :D
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Of course it will, but it'll still probably be a US controlled puppet. Of course I may be wrong, and I hope so. We'll see. But still, it will sell oil to US, no noubt about that.


That seems off to me, surely the whole point of giving the Iraqi people back the oil fields is so they can sell it? So if the US or whoever was buying then isn't that how simple economics works?
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That seems off to me, surely the whole point of giving the Iraqi people back the oil fields is so they can sell it? So if the US or whoever was buying then isn't that how simple economics works?


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I love how this global community **** comes around when the US wants to do something.  The fact is this:  The UN has NOT been able to stop any major conflict peacefully.  

Just remember this:  "Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and some communism, war has never solved anything! "
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two words Pearl Harbor
 


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It was a sneak attack (thus cheap shot) on the US herself.  Historically we don't take kindly to attacks.


haha, yeah we do.

if it was Russia that were Terrorists and the US wanted to "liberate" them or the same reason they're going to attack Iraq... they wouldn't do ****.

i mean, it's pathetic actually

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I don't want the battle plans, but I'd pay big bucks for a pay-per-view channel with live footage from the war. :D


*shudder* God no man. They pulled some of that with 'Nam,.. your average person,...note average,...isn't ready for actually seeing war. I mean look at 'Nam as the example... ppl saw daily just enough to see what was going on... then the poor guys that were sent over there came home as "baby killers" and got spit on by the same country they fought for.

**Note** I'm not trying to get into a debate on the "ethics" of 'Nam ,..just citing examples my Father told me of from his experience.
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oh, and has anyone seen what the Afghanistan looks like?  America apparently goes in there to destroy their government and free the people... but have you heard what happened when they left?  it's apparently worse off than it was!  they didn't destroy the poppy fields and stuff, so the warlords have taken over.

 

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"IRAQ!  DISARM!"
*once Iraq is disarmed*
"ATTACK, ATTACK!!! WE"LL SHOW THEM OUR POWER!!!"


Yea if that was actually true and not fiction it might be bad.
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Offline CP5670

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I totally agree that he should be removed. And with force if necessary. BUT the way the United States have handled this is just stupid and ignorant. they will lose more then gain.


And if you really believed this, you would not be saying it. :D The only way you (and all of the anti-war governments) would be saying such a thing is if you really thought otherwise, for the reasons given earlier.

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I am just pointing out that if the US had waited till solid proof was there for weapons and **** then they'd have a legit reason to attack and not causing an international breakdown of security and alliances.


the heck? You just posted this exact same thing in different words and I responded several posts ago. :p As I said before, it is not at all undesirable to cause this "international breakdown" because the current axes have outlived their time (WW2 and cold war) and are no longer beneficial to any of the involved parties, so it is time to form new alliances to face new threats. As for proof, once again, see my last response to your stuff. I suppose that when they nuke Washington, it would be solid enough proof, but since the EU wants that, they need to keep us from winning in Iraq, but that means we should do exactly that. We need to do it before there is solid proof, because by then it will be too late.

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And Iraq had enough time to prepare before, a few months more wouldn't matter. But they were too impatient. Hence the hostilities towards the United States. They just didn't think when they did this.


Alright, we finally have something new here. A few months more will make all the difference here because for those 12 years he has not been expecting an immediate conflict and has adjusted his operations accordingly. He is not going to spend all those years building up on conventional forces when there is no reason to expect an attack soon; rather, he will build up on his chemical bombs and other things to deal with the then immediate issues at hand. As an analogy, suppose that you are told you have a big final exam in school just the next day, but you are also told that you should not have any trouble because you have gotten the whole year to prepare. That year doesn't mean anything unless you knew that it would be coming very soon, since you spent that time doing other things that required more immediate attention.

But you are right about the last part, for a change. They indeed didn't think when they did this; as I said before, they fell into the trap the Europeans had set for them. It should have been done immediately in November without going to the UN at all; Cheney and Rumsfeld predicted exactly what would happen, but they lost out to the rest. Still, even now is better than later. :D

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What about the ones downloading the stuff? I'm not sure if that is legal, but if it is, then warez is equally legal. :D
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oh, and has anyone seen what the Afghanistan looks like?  America apparently goes in there to destroy their government and free the people... but have you heard what happened when they left?  it's apparently worse off than it was!  they didn't destroy the poppy fields and stuff, so the warlords have taken over.

gotta love it when people don't listen... :rolleyes:
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hmm something a bit interesting
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Despite French opposition to a war in Iraq, the French military could assist a U.S.-led coalition should Iraq use biological and chemical weapons against coalition forces, the French ambassador to the United States said Tuesday.
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Offline CP5670

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after all, they want their share of the spoils of war, right? :D

 

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Hypothetical situation #1: You are a soldier of a nation that is considered an enemy nation to the USA (Iraq, for example). You become a Prisoner of War, captured by your enemy. Imagine what kind of treatment you would get.

Hypothetical situation #2: You are a soldier of a nation that is considered an enemy nation to Iraq (the USA, for example). You become a Prisoner of War, captured by your enemy. Imagine what kind of treatment you would get.

Include in your essay a paragraph describing all the feeling you would have in such a situation if you were brought before that nation's leader (Saddam / Bush) for judgement.



I know - seems like a "who's nicer?" argument, right?

:ha:

Think again. Think about who or what each nation and leader is accountable to. Consider past track records with regard to the relationship between the leader and their own nation primarily, and the leader and other nations second.

No one is saying that Bush is an angel. But then again, this isn't about Bush.
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Offline Tiara

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...

Who's nicer?

...

How the hell should I know!? I just know that they are both stupid.

That was a lame argument. :p Whos's nicer... hmmppffff...
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I'd love to get into an argument here, but just to save time, just put me on your ignore lists right away instead.


I think the US is capable of taking custody of people for no reasons other than suspicion and lock them up in cells the size of an average toilet room for well over a year, without any intent of making any charges against them.

Choosing between that and an execution, I'd prefer being executed.
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Bush: I'd prolly get interrogated heavily, then accused of terrorism, and finally executed for high treason

Saddam: I'd get my balls ripped off and stuffed down my throat.

From the reproductive position, I'd prefer Bush, but then again, noone really knows what they do with the POWs before the execution.
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This is why I'll happily be living in that log cabin in the Norwegian mountains. :doubt:
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Who's nicer? I'm not sure. Saddam Hussein's track record is common knowledge, but what about all this? Quite significant events, proving that neither have a clean conscience.

I came across a very interesting article by The Onion just now... Written in January 2001, it's a frighteningly accurate prophecy - and it was supposed to be a parody! Compare it to the above scorecard of actual events...
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