[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Razor

Military action was unnecessery. You attacked a SOVEREIGN country and therefore directly broke the most important UN resolution that applies to a  free nation. Let me ask you something. If your country was attacked by a such faction that tryes to take a part of your country, what would you do?
A Send special forces to eliminate the threat
B Sit and watch what would happen
C Ask them to come for tea and cookies and politely ask (beg) them to stop

Now....
You called us to Rambuei (sp) to threaten us with war and leveling our cities and killing our people. You sent us an ultimatum to surrender and allow a total ocupation of Yugoslavia. FASCISTS! You just sent your planes on March 24th 1999 at aproximately 20:00 hours. Fortunately, with the help of our sources in ******, we were able to obtain the information needed to organize our deffences and at least we mannaged to stop many attacks by the NATO Terrorists

Now, on our former president. The KLA struck first. There were no negotiations between us and them. They just came in and killed, slaughtered, kidnapped and tortured our civilians. What happened then? We were informed of all that, and as any free county would do, we sent our special forces to eliminate the threat. By bombing us, and entering Kosovo, you opened a great window of oppertunity to the KLA. Congratulations. USA AND ALL OF HER ALLIES HELP TERRORISM. Irronically, you are fighting the same terrorist group you are helping. Or at least, you think you are fighting them.

Does 'sources in ******, ' mean China?

Frankly - you're full of pish.  

'Sending special forces to eliminate the threat' does not, and never has, entailed the murder, expulsion or otherwise removal of a large ethnic group.  I notice you've been not able to find a justification for the massacres of Kosovan civillians, including- as the UN charge on Milosevic shows - young chilren and the elderly.    Instead you continue to rant on about the KLA, as if the existence of an extremist group can justify an attack on an entire ethnic group.

If there had been, say, a Yugoslavian terrorist group oppossed to Milosevic, would you say that would justify every Yuogslav being removed from the country?

[Stryke 9]

http://www.reptiles.org/~madrev/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm







It's depressing how appropriate this is to every ****ing political argument this forum ever has.

[Razor]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Does 'sources in ******, ' mean China?

Frankly - you're full of pish.  

'Sending special forces to eliminate the threat' does not, and never has, entailed the murder, expulsion or otherwise removal of a large ethnic group.  I notice you've been not able to find a justification for the massacres of Kosovan civillians, including- as the UN charge on Milosevic shows - young chilren and the elderly.    Instead you continue to rant on about the KLA, as if the existence of an extremist group can justify an attack on an entire ethnic group.

If there had been, say, a Yugoslavian terrorist group oppossed to Milosevic, would you say that would justify every Yuogslav being removed from the country?

No it's not China at all nor it is Russia. We got even better sources.

Special forces were the last resort. And first of all, we wouldn't have sent them in if the KLA wouldn't have started first. Albanians had everything they needed. Schools on Albanian , media on Alb,  freedom of speech, free communication in their language (noone pushed them to just talk Serbian). And what did they want? They wanted to take Kosovo from us and they knew that we wouldn't aprove it. Then they decided to strat a terrorsit action. I allready linked them to Al Qaida and a drug smugling (but I mentioned that a long time ago). They wanted a Kosovo that was clean of Serbs and if you wanna talk about ethnic clensing, then go ahead. KLA cleansed Kosovo of Serbs, Not Milosevic of Albanians so accept that. Just compare the numbers. There are over 2 million albanians in kosovo and less than 100 000 Serbs. So who is the one who is clensed? Come on!

There has never been and there will never be a terrorist group in Yugoslavia. We have a rule there. We never attack anyone (unlike UK and USA ). We just deffend what is ours. If you didn't know, Milosevic was overthrown. I never said he was a good man. He did bad things and the Serbian people couldn't tollerate his tyrany. It is not the Kosovo problem that pissed us off. It was the fact that he robbed us and many lived in missery. That's why we overthrew him. And of course, our actions in Kosovo against KLA are absolutely approved. You can't negotiate with terrorsits. We tryed, but it didn't work. When we realzied that, special forces went there and eliminated them just as any other country would do if they were in that situation. Of course, if your country was attacked like that, noone would hessitate to call up SFs. But of course, I bet that you won't listen to me (even though I am telling you what is true), so I will not say anything else here on this issue.  Rictor tryed hard to convince you that we are the good guys, KLA is not. I see he gave up, and I will do the same. You are unreasonable and I find it impossible to reach you in any way. Go ahead, ask any reasonable Serb and he/she will tell you the same thing as I did.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
http://www.reptiles.org/~madrev/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Hahah, that's hilarious! For the sake of my sanity though, I'll assume it's purely for humour.

[Bobboau]

you're governments actions in Kosovo were about the same as if we would have nuked Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Lybia, ect... into a long contigus sheet of glass after 11/9 (useing European format for all of you), witch we could have quite easily (and some say should have) done. the actions taken were not aganst simply the KLA but the entire Albainian population.

also you say there were 2 million albanians in kosovo and only 100,000 serbs, seeing as most of the albanians wanted to get out of Yugoslavia you should have let them rather than empy any village that you suspected of haveing a KLA cell in it.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Kamikaze


Hahah, that's hilarious! For the sake of my sanity though, I'll assume it's purely for humour.

The tide myth is one of the oldest and most absurd lies that the Lunar establishment has tried to push on a gullible world.  Do they really expect us to believe that the moon - an object that allegedly resides at an average distance of 240,000 miles from the earth - has the power, from that distance, to lift how many billions of cubic meters of water?

Do an experiment: take a rubber ball and suspend it above a bathtub full of water.  Now slowly move the ball closer to the water.  Does the level of the water change?  Not even slightly.  So much for the tides myth.

The clouds are considerably closer to the moon, and much lighter than the oceans.  One would imagine that if the moon had the power to raise the oceans, this same force would cause the clouds to go flying into space, yet this does not happen.  This proves that the tides story is physically impossible.

[Razor]

Originally posted by Bobboau

also you say there were 2 million albanians in kosovo and only 100,000 serbs, seeing as most of the albanians wanted to get out of Yugoslavia you should have let them rather than empy any village that you suspected of haveing a KLA cell in it.

Ehh..your sentences don't really make sense. Are you sure you are American?

[Bobboau]

majority rules == democracy
if the majority of people liveing in that regon did not want to be ruled by you, you should have let them go

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Bobboau
majority rules == democracy
if the majority of people liveing in that regon did not want to be ruled by you, you should have let them go

Ah, so America has respected that rule in South America, Cuba, Vietnam then?

[Razor]

Originally posted by Bobboau
majority rules == democracy

Oh yes. Thank you so much for opening my eyes. If there weren't for you I would still be wandering the empty voids of ignorance.

[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
http://www.reptiles.org/~madrev/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

It's depressing how appropriate this is to every ****ing political argument this forum ever has.

Heheheh.... heh. What, no moon?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Razor


No it's not China at all nor it is Russia. We got even better sources.

Special forces were the last resort. And first of all, we wouldn't have sent them in if the KLA wouldn't have started first. Albanians had everything they needed. Schools on Albanian , media on Alb,  freedom of speech, free communication in their language (noone pushed them to just talk Serbian). And what did they want? They wanted to take Kosovo from us and they knew that we wouldn't aprove it. Then they decided to strat a terrorsit action. I allready linked them to Al Qaida and a drug smugling (but I mentioned that a long time ago). They wanted a Kosovo that was clean of Serbs and if you wanna talk about ethnic clensing, then go ahead. KLA cleansed Kosovo of Serbs, Not Milosevic of Albanians so accept that. Just compare the numbers. There are over 2 million albanians in kosovo and less than 100 000 Serbs. So who is the one who is clensed? Come on!

There has never been and there will never be a terrorist group in Yugoslavia. We have a rule there. We never attack anyone (unlike UK and USA ). We just deffend what is ours. If you didn't know, Milosevic was overthrown. I never said he was a good man. He did bad things and the Serbian people couldn't tollerate his tyrany. It is not the Kosovo problem that pissed us off. It was the fact that he robbed us and many lived in missery. That's why we overthrew him. And of course, our actions in Kosovo against KLA are absolutely approved. You can't negotiate with terrorsits. We tryed, but it didn't work. When we realzied that, special forces went there and eliminated them just as any other country would do if they were in that situation. Of course, if your country was attacked like that, noone would hessitate to call up SFs. But of course, I bet that you won't listen to me (even though I am telling you what is true), so I will not say anything else here on this issue.  Rictor tryed hard to convince you that we are the good guys, KLA is not. I see he gave up, and I will do the same. You are unreasonable and I find it impossible to reach you in any way. Go ahead, ask any reasonable Serb and he/she will tell you the same thing as I did.

Answer the question.  can you justify the attmepted ethnic cleansing of Kosovo Albanians?  The ethnic mix of Kosovo is of no relevance when you're sending in troops.  If the Yuoglsav army had been attacking the KLA only, there would have been no reason for NATO to intervene?

 If you are willing to aknowledge that Milosevic was an evil man, and a tyrant, why can't you accept that he was willing to try and eliminate an entire ethnic group that was causing him problems?

And on the subject of Yugoslav terrorists, I can give a very famour Serbian terrorist group-  the Black Hand - who were partially responsible for the first world war.  They were dedicated to the creation of a greater Serbia - not entirely different from the KLA's aims... if Serbia was still part of the 'old' Yugoslavia, would it still be a problem?

  You're suggesting that Serbians are somehow 'better' than the rest of humanity now?  That the Serbian ethnic group / nationality is somehow immune to creating the sort of criminals / nutters that become terrorists?  Would you not say that the assassination of Djindjic could not be construed as a terrorist act aimed at destabilisation the reconstruction of Serbia & M?  Or that the ethnic cleansing during the civil war could not also be construed as a form of politically motivated, state sponsored terrorism?

Fianlly, I'm not even sure that the Kosovo Albanians did have the fredoms you say.... I'm sure I remeber part of Milosevic's war crimes summons related to the removal of the 'devolution' (partial autonomy) of  Kosovo 'state' when it was still aprt of Yugoslavia, and the rmeoval of items such as personal identification.  Although I could be wrong on this- it is only a vague memory.  But it's npothing special to be allowed to have your own language, schools and media.  All 4 'kingdoms' of the UK (Wales,England, SCotland, N.Ireland) have this, and it's never fuelled any problems between our 'peoples'.

[Knight Templar]

bah, you guys are soo far off topic, back to the latest war headlines...

EDIT: Meh, might bother somepeople

 

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mad props to Twisted Reality @ WS

[vyper]

 Oh its sick but funny....

Anyway....

Any1 know how far UK forces are into Basra?

[CP5670]

KT:

Ah, so America has respected that rule in South America, Cuba, Vietnam then?

He is the one claiming to respect that, though.

[Mr Carrot]

We took the old city todya which makes it about 95% control.... just a few of those fedayin nutters left (less then a thousand). All the She'ites are well chuffed and partying.

Lost 3 blokes though.

[Unknown Target]

Support the troops and the war, but not the ideas that sent them there.

[Bobboau]

Basarah is now releving in it's new freedom, people danceing, chearing, asking why it took us so damn long to get there...

[Mr Carrot]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
Support the troops and the war, but not the ideas that sent them there.

Why? less civilians will die in this war then die every year for "political and religious" crimes.

[Stryke 9]

Carrot: That depends entirely on how you define "civilians", doesn't it? Judging from the newspapers, in this conflict it's defined as anyone who is adequately overflowing with glee at the arrival of the US forces.

So, yes, under that definition probably fewer casualties, though if there's a city conflict in Baghdad that's debatable. However, that covers maybe 20% of the populace.