[Mr Carrot]

several hundred children die every year because saddam stockpiles medacines hes given by the UN aid programs instead of distributing them to the population. Id classify them as civilians.

[Stryke 9]

Several hundred children die every year because of the US/UN embargo that blocks nearly all medical goods, you mean? Surprising, I wasn't aware we were killing so many with it. Thought it was more around 200.

[Mr Carrot]

No these are medical supplies that are allowed and indead supplied using UN money, they are however just stockpiled. Saddam created the humanitarian situation in Iraq, NOT the sanctions.

[diamondgeezer]

Well, I'd argue that the sanctions create the humanitarian situation, but in turn Saddam is responsible for the sanctions. His pride comes before the welfare of the average Iraqi peasent, so he resisted the UN and bought the sanctions against the country. So it's Saddam's fault, though in a slightly more roundabout way...

[Mr Carrot]

No the sanctions and the oil for food program are set up to avoid a humanitarian crisis if saddam complied, it would be stupid setting up a sanction knowing that even if the other side follows it your going to be starving the population.

[Stryke 9]

Stupid, yes, but the US isn't exactly world-renowned for its collective intelligence.

The embargo completely bars many common vaccines and treatments because with a whole lot of work and a good deal of ingenuity you might be able to turn them into bioweapons. This includes things like leukemia treatments and... well, actually just about any dead-sample vaccine you care to mention.

In other words, Saddam wouldn't need to stockpile anything for a medical crisis to kill hundreds or thousands of people, we do it just fine on our own, because we can't be arsed to send shipments and just keep track of them.

[Bobboau]

we've got "Chemical Ali"
he's dead

and there are US 3rd inf. guys takeing showers in Sadam's presidential palice's gold encrusted bathrooms.

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Bobboau
and there are US 3rd inf. guys takeing showers in Sadam's presidential palice's gold encrusted bathrooms.

Nice analogy.

[Mr Carrot]

Actualy all the vaccines are allowed, they can only be administered and kept by UN medical aid officials who were banned from the country.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Mr Carrot


Why? less civilians will die in this war then die every year for "political and religious" crimes.

What does that have to do with what I said?
I said that we should support our troops (UK + US), because they're putting themselves in the line of fire to help some Iraqis that probably don't even like them. Some of them are even making the ultimate sacrifice to help them.
BTW, I think I'm starting to turn on my opinion of the ideals of the war. At first I didn't like it, because I thought GWB would grab the oil fields as soon as possible, but instead, it seems they are genuinely trying to help the Iraqis.

[Bobboau]

thank you

[Falcon X]

Stupid, yes, but the US isn't exactly world-renowned for its collective intelligence.

The embargo completely bars many common vaccines and treatments because with a whole lot of work and a good deal of ingenuity you might be able to turn them into bioweapons. This includes things like leukemia treatments and... well, actually just about any dead-sample vaccine you care to mention.

In other words, Saddam wouldn't need to stockpile anything for a medical crisis to kill hundreds or thousands of people, we do it just fine on our own, because we can't be arsed to send shipments and just keep track of them.

US really?  I thought that was a UN sanction.  Therefore everyone agreed to it.  Your fault too.  Personnaly I like our current solution better.

BTW Saddam killed a **** load more than any of our sanctions and you know it.

[CP5670]

anyone heard the latest news? They are saying that Hussein and his two sons might be dead.

[Bobboau]

they've been saying that for the last two and a half weeks,
is there any new news, I've been away from media for the last twelve hours (other than this collage computer I'm on)

[CP5670]

dunno, there was apparently something new a few minutes ago; my parents said that there was something on TV about him being found dead and confirmed by DNA tests but I was too busy with a math problem to pay much attention...

[Mr Carrot]

The Paras grabbed the oil fields on day 1...........

[Pez]

Originally posted by Falcon X


US really?  I thought that was a UN sanction.  Therefore everyone agreed to it.  Your fault too.  Personnaly I like our current solution better.

BTW Saddam killed a **** load more than any of our sanctions and you know it.

I think it was the Security Council who passed the resolution and thereby making it binding on all UN members.

[Bobboau]

we just shot a hotel filled with jornalists...
great

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Bobboau
we just shot a hotel filled with jornalists...
great

Nice move

[kode]

Originally posted by Tiara


Nice move

bah, they probably gave people the wrong view of the war...